False Religion of Arminianism

1tim1:15
...Jesus died to save sinners....a true statement that covers it as all are sinners..Paul taught it.

We are speaking of a real actual redemption, that actually redeems. You are not.

 

If He died for all men there would not be a need to tell us, He died for the sheep, the ones the Father gave to Him, the Church, His brethren...they would come under the same heading???

 

Newsflash, 1 Corinthians is not written to unbelievers.

 

I am neither Arminian nor Calvinist. And I am of understanding the Biblical gospel requires the understanding of the general redemption, 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, Romans 5:8. Without the general redemption the non-believers would have no gospel message for them. It would become a question, did Chirst die for you? Would not really any gospel that Christ paid for your sin and guilt.

 

37818. I am hoping you are typing from a cell phone with the same idiotic word changing program that mine has - otherwise we have problems.
But anyway, what I am trying to say is that the most Calvinistic Calvinists I know of believe Jesus when said "All that the Father gives to me will come to me, and HE THAT COMES TO ME I WILL IN NO WISE CAST OUT." Knowing that, why worry about the extent of the atonement. Let that be God's business. You have a promise that if you come you will not be rejected. You can tell that to anyone. You have tons of verses saying that all who believe will be saved. We have sermons from Puritan high Calvinists inviting and practically begging sinners to come to Christ. If you don't want to believe in a particular redemption that is OK but you certainly still have a valid gospel.

 

Your first phrase is not true. Without the New Testament records there would be no evidence of the truths of Christianity. It's gospel message is of the general redemption and Christ's bodily resurrection.

 

It's gospel message is to be understood that of the general redemption. 2 Corinthians 5:14, 1 Corinthians 15:21.

 

Yeah, typing from my cell phone. I believe the same Scriptures Calvinists do. But I understand somethings quite different. I do believe in the particular redemption in and it being the prime reason for the general redemption. Two aspects of the one redemption.

 

You can invent things if you want.
Young can continue to misuse rom.5:8 if you want.Several do that on here.
It will not change one thing.
You do any contrary thing to avoid everything offered by every poster.

 

No you force that onto it because you somehow think those verses were written to tell the lost Christ died for them. That is poor hermeneutics my friend.

 

There is no honest gospel without the general redemption. Prove otherwise.

 

We have proved it, 1tim.1:15.
Also, the whole book of Acts.
You just reject it.

 

I look at the verses you use and I don't see some philosophical "general" redemption.
Either God redeems a person or he doesn't. It's specific, not some general, wishy washy, mamby pamby, theoretical redemption.

 

Rejecting some interpertations not Scripture. I have believed in the general redemption over 50 years.
1 Timothy 1:15, ". . . This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. . . ." The sinners are all man kind, the general redemption as taught by the Apostle Paul. Thank you.

 

Romans 5:8 teaches that Christ died for the believers while they were not believers. And is not contrary to the Biblical general redemption being understood.

 

The particular redemption is in the general redemption. It is those who believe the general redemption who by God's grace become partakers in the particular redemption in the general redemption.

 

You continue in your error.
That statement says nothing about a general redemption...it just teaches what the goal and basis of a gospel presentation is.Jesus saves sinners.
You claim there can be no gospel except for what you believe is a gospel formula, like you were wrongly taught 50 years ago.
No where in scripture do the Apostles say Jesus died for...YOUR sins.
But as I said, you can have a Burger King kind of have it your way understanding.

 

We can be more specific. Hebrews 9:15-17 tells us that each believer was written into Jesus last will and testament (New Covenant) and these believers are given their designated Inheritance. The redemption isn't general. The redemption is very, very specific with a specific name written down in the will.

Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive.

 

Are all mankind sinners or only the not yet saved "elect?" ". . . I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. . . ." Jesus, Luke 5:32.

 

It also does not support general redemption since the rest of Romans speaks of a particular redemption, an election. Those believers were died for because they were elect already. There is no indication in Scripture of general redemption nor is that logical. Christ paid for some but they still perish? No sir