False Religion of Arminianism

[KenH]

I had briefly studied this so-call "Christian" universalism in 1969 from someone who believed and taught it.

I heard about it in the 2000s.

 

[37818]

God's elect will certainly know that their sins were imputed to Christ and that He suffered the penalty for them and that Christ's righteousness has been imputed to them so that they possess a perfect righteousness that they could never produce.

Without the general redemption there is no gospel for the not yet a believer to hear Christ died for one's sins, Romans 5:8, 1 Corinthians 15:3-4.

 

[KenH]

Without the general redemption there is no gospel for the not yet a believer to hear Christ died for one's sins, Romans 5:8, 1 Corinthians 15:3-4.

Your statement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If you can't explain your position more clearly, then we are just going around in circles, and I have no interest in doing that.

 

[Brightfame52]

Also there is no such thing as "Christian" univsalism. Because it is not Christian. And with universalism what one believes cannot matter.

There is no such thing as a particular atonement and general atonement at the same time.

 

[Brightfame52]

Without the general redemption there is no gospel for the not yet a believer to hear Christ died for one's sins, Romans 5:8, 1 Corinthians 15:3-4.

Without particular atonement there is no Gospel, for if Christ didnt die for a particular people, substitute for them and saved them, there would be no Gospel good news for any sinner.

 

[Reformed1689]

Denial. Universalism does not require the redemption, because if universalism were true our disagreement would not matter.

Then I do not think you understand universalism or redemption.

 

[37818]

God's elect will certainly know that their sins were imputed to Christ and that He suffered the penalty for them and that Christ's righteousness has been imputed to them so that they possess a perfect righteousness that they could never produce.

Did Christ die for you? Are you one of the elect? 2 Peter 1:9? Matthew 13:20-21. Where is the gospel in the word of God that asks did Christ die for you? 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, Romans 5:8, Isaiah 53:6.

 

[37818]

Then I do not think you understand universalism or redemption.

Universalism, it does not matter what one believes. In the false gospel one needs to ask, did Christ die for you? Only if you come to believe that He did.

 

[Reformed1689]

Universalism, it does not matter what one believes. In the false gospel one needs to ask, did Christ die for you? Only if you come to believe that He did.

General redemption necessitates universalism. How you do not see this I don't understand. Either Jesus sacrifice covered you or it didn't.

 

[KenH]

Did Christ die for you?

Yes. Christ is The LORD my RIGHTEOUSNESS.

“In another's righteousness we stand; and by another's righteousness are we justified. All accusations against us, founded upon our unrighteousness, we answer by pointing to the perfection of the righteousness which covers us from head to foot, and in virtue of which we are unassailable by law, as well as shielded from wrath.

Protected by this perfection, we have no fear of wrath, either now or hereafter.”

- Horatius Bonar

 

[37818]

General redemption necessitates universalism. How you do not see this I don't understand. Either Jesus sacrifice covered you or it didn't.

There is no gospel without the understanding of general redemption in 1 Corinthians 15:3-5, Isaiah 53:6, Romans 5:8. Nowhere in the word of God is the question, did Christ die for you? It is not not a needed question of the general redemption. Without the general redemption, the not yet saved would not have any Biblical basis to know before they believe Christ died for them, 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, Isaiah 53:6 and Romans 5:8.

 

[37818]

The word of God teaches the general redemption, which is not universalism.

 

[KenH]

There is no gospel without the understanding of general redemption in 1 Corinthians 15:3-5, Isaiah 53:6, Romans 5:8. Nowhere in the word of God is the question, did Christ die for you? It is not not a needed question of the general redemption. Without the general redemption, the not yet saved would not have any Biblical basis to know before they believe Christ died for them, 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, Isaiah 53:6 and Romans 5:8.

 

[Reformed1689]

There is no gospel without the understanding of general redemption in 1 Corinthians 15:3-5, Isaiah 53:6, Romans 5:8.

Of course there is because there is no general redemption

 

[Reformed1689]

There is no gospel without the understanding of general redemption in 1 Corinthians 15:3-5, Isaiah 53:6, Romans 5:8. Nowhere in the word of God is the question, did Christ die for you? It is not not a needed question of the general redemption. Without the general redemption, the not yet saved would not have any Biblical basis to know before they believe Christ died for them, 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, Isaiah 53:6 and Romans 5:8.

There is no need for the non elect to know it because He didn't die for them.

 

[37818]

There is no need for the non elect to know it because He didn't die for them.

So in the parable of the sower Christ only died for the good ground?

So in Matthew 7:21-23 Christ only died for those who do God's well?

 

[Reformed1689]

So in the parable of the sower Christ only died for the good ground?

So in Matthew 7:21-23 Christ only died for those who do God's well?

Christ only died for the elect, that is what I am saying, that is what the Bible says. That is what Christ himself said.

 

[KenH]

So in the parable of the sower Christ only died for the good ground?

So in Matthew 7:21-23 Christ only died for those who do God's well?

Are you attempting to teach Amyraldism in this thread?

 

[37818]

Christ only died for the elect, that is what I am saying, that is what the Bible says.

You got it wrong. Yes, Christ died so secure His sheep. But He indeed died for all of man kind. 1 John 2:2, 1 John 5:19.

 

[KenH]

You got it wrong. Yes, Christ died so secure His sheep. But He indeed died for all of man kind. 1 John 2:2, 1 John 5:19.

1 John 5:19 does your argument no good. The elect are of God(as the verse says), it is the world(those who are not regenerated) who under the sway of the evil one(as the verse says).