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"JonC,

Jesus said this!3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

 

...for he that is hanged [on a tree] is accursed of God... Deuteronomy 21:23, Galatians 3:13

 

The debate is about the death of Christ. That is central, and the thing shown and celebrated in the Supper, until He returns.

 

JonC,

I did.
Jesus said this!3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

 

Except that, in the trespass offering, the account with God is expressly settled. It is written in plain language, and also in the deeds of the law. There is no rational denial of it.

Leviticus 5:15-16 If a soul commit a trespass, and sin through ignorance, in the holy things of the LORD; then he shall bring for his trespass unto the LORD a ram without blemish out of the flocks, with thy estimation by shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary, for a trespass offering: And he shall make amends for the harm that he hath done in the holy thing, and shall add the fifth part thereto, and give it unto the priest: and the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering, and it shall be forgiven him.​

But not the account to God only, but also to man.

Leviticus 6:4 Then it shall be, because he hath sinned, and is guilty, that he shall restore that which he took violently away, or the thing which he hath deceitfully gotten, or that which was delivered him to keep, or the lost thing which he found.​

 

"JonC,

Jesus said this!

 

"JonC,

I do...

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

 

"JonC,

Yes..Jesus said so
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

 

JonC,

Jesus said;
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

 

Well, you still haven't touched the verses in Romans 5.
Romans 5:8-9
But God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners. And since we have been made right in God’s sight by the blood of Christ, he will certainly save us from God’s condemnation.

But to answer your question with scripture, here you go.
John 3:3-7
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

2 Corinthians 5:14-19
For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised. From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

It's all Christ substituting himself in our stead. Hard to believe you cannot see it, Jon.

 

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JonC,

This is what I mean when I say that you need to study God's Word rather than remain in the elementary things of our faith. You should know the reason, and you should always be able to give an account to anybody who asks. But ,as your recent attempts to answer the question prove, this is a bit out of your reach.

First stick with Scripture. Once you have a solid foundation then consider reading commentaries from men, if you feel the need.
You have proven my point. I did not ask to ridicule you for not grasping the reason but to simply point out that the reason is in Scripture yet (because of your philosophy) it remains just beyond your grasp.

As Christians we need to get back to the Bibke. This is a failure in today's culture. Doctrine has slipped and made way for all kinds of "teachings" which ate not actually in the Bible.

People see what is not there and miss what is there.

That is dangerous to our faith. We live in a time when too many Christians are biblically illiterate.

Try sticking with Scripture only, until you can truly give an account of the Christian faith. Keep trying, and praying. It will come if you are faithful

 

@JonC, it is become obvious that you have read a book that is not canonical which has influenced you tremendously. You so admire that authors take that you have bought in. Your scripture passages are disjointed and not contextually sound. Therefore you have resorted to a claim which many cult leaders use, which is to declare that you only are correct and all others are wrong. The founder of the Jehovahs Witnesses is an example. Now, I am not calling you a cult member. I am simply stating you have resorted to that tactic. On this issue, Jon, you have lost all credibility. Keep writing if you feel you must, but your words have become nothing more than noise at this point.

 

Jon, I just answered it with scripture.
You are right. There is no going forward when you ignore the answer that scripture provides you.

Time to close this thread.