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So by your logic if a person does not hear directly from the Father they can not be saved. So when did you have this conversation with God?

 

ONLY God has absolute free will, and our free wills are limited by our sin natures!

 

Reading the letter to the Romans, Silverhair, reading the letter to the Romans.
The texts have been shared with you. It seems you ignore them.

 

Actually is not that they cannot believe, it is that they will not believe. That is free will. But I understand your choice of words because that is calvinism. If a person is not Unconditional Elected, as one of those who are included in that Limited Atonement, then they will not be dragged by that Irresistible Grace so they cannot believe.

I would say you r choice of verse to explain how a person comes to believe but then as a calvinist you do want to overlook some passages don't you. These ones give a better picture of what happens
Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?

Notice in both they have to hear and believe and that answers the question we see in Acts.
Act_16:30 ... "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"

The bible has the answers if you let the bible be the answer.

 

Calvinist answer to that question...

 

Well if you say that reading Romans is what brought you to Christ Jesus then why do you deny the same thing to others? You have this strange idea that God only loves a select group and you hope that you are part of that group.

I did not need to read Romans, I just needed to read and believe this:
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

It is really sad that they cannot see the logical outcome of their theology or perhaps I should say they will not see it.

 

What is Free will? Humans are free to will within the constraints God provides. Thus the actual reality is "Limited will" and not "free will." Thus the use of the obviously bogus term is a straw man construct of exhaustive determinists.

What is Limited will? The first limit of our finite mind is we are limited to our knowledge and imagination. Thus I can will to have a working knowledge of Calculus, but that desire is unfulfilled. Or I can will to derive the correct understanding of any passage in God's word, but I see through a glass darkly and thus that desire is unfulfilled.

Could I seek God if I did not know God existed? Nope, but I might seek a non-god of my own invention.

Could I reject in all or in part God's revelation, and seek a god of my own creation? Yes

Thus our capacity to will to be saved is limited just as scripture describes, which means our salvation does not depend upon our willing or doing stuff, but upon God alone. Romans 9:16

 

LOL, you may be the greatest contortionist I have ever met, Silverhair.
Do you ever tire of reducing scripture to your own personal sound bytes with no regard for the entirety of scripture?

As I mentioned elsewhere, your little collection of verses hinge on "whoever believes." The answer to who believes is outlined wonderfully in Romans. But, perhaps knowing (as Paul Harvey used to say) "the rest of the story" is something you don't want to know. Perhaps you enjoy and revel in ignorance. I honestly don't know why you reject so much of God's word.

 

Just shows that you do not trust what the bible says. Sad really.

 

And you fail to realize that the bible says that man has to believe not that the father believes for them.