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If you include Rom 10:17 it is clear in regard to our salvation.

 

No, not completely. Romans 10:17 is followed by Romans 10:18 which cites Psalms 19:4 referencing God's natural revelation by which God gives everyone faith. None are saved by merely having some kind faith.
". . . But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people. I say then, Hath God cast away his people? . . ." Romans 10:19-21 - Romans 11:1 . . .

 

Correction...PAUL SAID.

 

Here we go with the Midrash point again as if it proves your point, it doesn't. Do you believe Romans to be inspired? Even if it is quoting Scripture, and it is not a direct quotation, it is there for a purpose in THAT context. So your whole argument is nonsense.

 

So did Austin and I pointed out the error in his thinking but I do not expect him or you to listen.

 

The argument is that all men are sinners and none can be good enough to save themselves. It does not say the none can trust in God or seek God you have to read that into the text. "Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law" "Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin."

You do not like what it says because it does not fit with your theology. That is your issue not mine.

You say that I do not accept what the bible says but I see the same problem in your view. Calvinism is a theology that started with Augustine and that Calvin articulated, therefore it is a man-made philosophy that is based on the bible as Augustine & Calvin thought it should be understood.

 

I would not say God gives everyone faith rather He gives everyone the ability to believe the revelation that is given to them. Creation, the gospel interaction with Christians, etc. whatever way God decides to reach out to man. God is sovereign so He can draw people to Himself in whatever way He chooses.

 

Because we are not the ones in error sir.

 

Yet, I'm the one actually going with what it says and not trying to explain it away to fit my unbiblical humanistic view. That is your problem.

 

Agree. BUT He TOLD US how He chose to do so.

 

More ignorance. Read Pillars of Grace.

 

You keep telling me that but your understanding of the bible says you are.

 

You mean the understanding that does not rely on taking things out of context and hermeneutical gymnastics? Ok.

 

I quoted scripture. Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit, says no one seeks God. He is reiterating what he brought up in Romans 1.

Notice the twisting of attribution Silverhair does in an attempt to disassociate God's word from his theology.

 

But you do not understand what Paul used the Midrash for. You can ignore what I have said but that does not change the truth of what I said.

 

You are putting limits on God. Since God is sovereign He can and does do as He wants. I find it amazing that you would want to restrict God.

 

Why do I need to read a calvinist book to know that calvinism is a man-made philosophy.

 

I understand. It is YOU who is grasping at straws to prop up your unbiblical view.

 

You need to read it to know you don't know your history. It did not start with Augustine.

 

Can God sin?