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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Guido, Mar 24, 2022.

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  1. Silverhair

    Silverhair Well-Known Member

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    NO. But you will keep bring this up whenever you are in a hole and you know it. I notice that you do not deal with Act 17:27, why is that?
     
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    No, that isn't what I said at all. I put forth a book, about history. It is a history book. And yes, it shows the doctrines of grace did not start with Augustine. If you weren't so stubborn and asinine you would check out the evidence and argue based on the evidence rather than just dismissing it.
     
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    No? Hmm, then your argument from earlier is bunk. You said we limit the sovereignty of God because we say there is something He cannot do, yet you did just that just now. Why is it different if you do it?
     
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    Your strawman comments are the stock and trade of those that are in denial of the truth of the bible. You really do not like it when someone disagrees with your calvinism. You have convinced yourself that it is true and will fight to the end to support that errant view.
     
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    I did.
     
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    No I don't like it when someone keeps stating falsehoods about me.
     
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    You keep saying that but I am not the calvinist here so that means that I trust what the bible text says but you tend to read into to what you want to find.
     
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    Then you would be disagreeing with the teaching of Romans 10:17-18. Would you not?
     
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    What a stupid comment. Completely asinine. Idiocy. Stupidity abounds.
     
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    He has proven time and time again that he only looks at parts of Scripture that appears to agree with him and simply ignores the rest.
     
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    You really have a problem with English I see. "so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him"
    So your going to deny that these words of Paul a indicating that people can actually do what the words say they can, seek, hope, grope for Him, find Him.

    You really do not want the truth of scripture do you.
     
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    Nobody seeks God. Why do you deny THAT truth?
     
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    Now your just showing that your position is faulty. You do not have to use the language that you have. Would you be surprised if there were books out there that show Augustine was the start of the calvinist philosophy?

    Would it surprise you that Augustine held to free will.

    "He [God] has revealed to us, through His Holy Scriptures, that there is in man a free choice of will," and that "God's precepts themselves would be of no use to a man unless he had free choice of will, so that by performing them he might obtain the promised rewards." (On Grace and Free Will, chap. II) Augustine (see especially chapters II-IV)
     
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    I know there are books that put forth the false claim that it started with Augustine. But that is all it is, a false claim. And there is nothing wrong with the language I used. Look it up in a dictionary. And again, out of context quotes mean nothing. Are you and @SavedByGrace the same person?
     
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    How do I limit the sovereignty of God. Your view of the sovereignty of God is defective, you limit His sovereignty then claim your right. The fact you can not understand or accept that God is truly sovereign is the root of your lack of understanding of scripture.
     
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    Are you a calvinist and if so do you hold to the confessions or not?
     
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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! So you say that by saying God cannot or will not do something it somehow limits his sovereignty. So I ask you if God can sin. You say no, but somehow that doesn't limit his sovereignty? Foolish boy.
     
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    Your use of pejoratives just show how faulty your position is.
     
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    Am I Calvinistic? Yes. Do I hold to the confessions? NO! I hold to Scripture and there are some confessions I agree with.
     
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    I just respond with scripture that supports my point or shows you that your point is in error.
     
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