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Salvation has to be all of God. Just look at the state of what is called culturally "Christianity". There are all sorts and varieties of what people call "the gospel" - Baptists have their version of the gospel, Methodists have their version of the gospel, Presbyterians have their version of the gospel, the Church of Christ has its version of the gospel, the Assembly of God has its version of the gospel, Pentecostals have their version of the gospel, Catholics have their version of the gospel, Lutherans have their version of the gospel, and on and on and on. If God's elect were left on their own to decipher what is the gospel of Christ commissioned by Christ and preached by the apostles in the first century A.D., they would never know if they had arrived at the gospel of Christ or a false gospel. Salvation has to be all of God or else we would be all be swimming around in the ocean of life without any certainty or security.

 

Austin you come up with the same argument all the time and you have been shown over and over again that your philosophy is wrong but that is OK as God has for some reason determined that you think that way. Why He does it I do not know but that is just the way it is. As a result you really do not have the ability to have an independent thought because, as you say, all is controlled by Gods' deterministic will.

Perhaps He is just letting you walk down this errant path for a while so that when He does cause the light of truth to shine in your life you will be more receptive to it.

 

Ken you missed a couple of versions, Calvinists have their version of the gospel and the bible has the only true version of the gospel message and means of salvation.

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Rom 3:25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
Rom 3:26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

 

First they are translations provided by a team of scholars. Second, you don't even read Greek. How would you know? Come on Van. At some point you have to admit that you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to translation work. Others here who are much better at Greek and Hebrew have tried to correct you.

Van, it is your translation that is a mistranslation.

 

You have certainly held your man-centered ground, Sliverhair. I have provided 6 pages of scripture to show you the Sovereign work of God in choosing, predestining, electing, and adopting. That's a lot of scripture from both the old and new testament, but you just ignore it all and hold firm in glorifying man. Yes, I recognize you turn your back on God's sovereignty and embrace man's power. It does seem you are unrepentant of that attitude.

 

I have seen all the posts. No matter how much you mistranslate, it will never become a correct translation, Van.

 

Van, your translation has been addressed and found to be poor by a number of people. The mistranslation you provided has been addressed and shown to be wrong. Is there any reason for this thread to continue or perhaps the moderators can close it now?

 

You realize that this repost has been addressed a handful of times and your error has been addressed.

Continual restatement of an error will not make it correct.

 

Six pages of your cherry pick verses that you think support your view and which I have deal with before but you do seem to ignore that as per usual. I hold firm to what the bible says just as you hold firm to your man-made philosophy. You refuse to accept that biblical reality that God has given man a free will so as to have the ability to make real choices regarding their salvation. You on the other hand hold to your exhaustive determinism which as I said before removes all ability to make any choices so in reality you are no better than a puppet on a string.

You are correct in one point, I will not change my mind about the truth of scripture which as you have so clearly shown means that I actually have a true God given free will.

 

You mean the full passages I provided as "cherry picked"...

Face it, Sliverhair, you reject the God who declares himself sovereign over all areas of your life and you prefer the God who cooperates with you as the co-ruler.