Featured 2 Thessalonians 2:13 What does it say?

Right on. I love it. The whole post.

Very cool. Good idea.

Peace to you, too, brother. (I've been wanting to say that.)

 

Through clarified the Salvation they're Chosen to, Believing the truth by means of sanctification of the Spirit or regeneration. God chose them to believe the Gospel by regenerating them. We must be born again in order to believe the Gospel!

 

I hate to say it, but this sounds sort of backwards in the process....One isn't "born again" until they believe...

 

Sorry, one cannot believe until they are born of the Spirit or sanctified by the Spirit. Same Truth is taught by Peter 1 Pet 1:2

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

See that ? Sanctification of the Spirit UNTO obedience, not because of obedience as you say.

 

Now I am supposed to debate the used of "cite" to meaning quoting a specific translation?"
Did I say he did not also cite the Greek language? Nope
Is his view that differs from his copyrighted translation an agenda driven mistranslation? Yes

MOUNCE
But we ought always to thank · God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because God chose you · as first fruits for salvation, by sanctification of the Spirit and belief in the truth. ​

Is relying on Greek scholars views, as presented in English, somehow less of an "advantage" than relying on one Greek scholar's view, as presented in English. Nope.

 

2 Thessalonians 2:13 (interpretive translation)
Yet we ought always to be thanking God concerning you, siblings beloved by our Lord, because God has chosen all of you, since the beginning of the New Covenant, for the purpose of salvation, by setting you apart in Christ due to crediting your faith as righteousness.

In the beginning does not point to the beginning of anything specifically. In this verse, the beginning in view is the inauguration of the New Covenant. "From the beginning" refers to the span of time after inauguration, not before. Thus the idea is that those chosen are given to Christ spiritually, and Christ's promise is not cast those given out.

Grammatically the through describes the how and why of the verb chose. That is why some translations "fix" the text by changing the noun "salvation" into the verb "to be saved." They want to make "through faith in the truth" refer to being saved rather than being chosen.

Sanctification by the Spirit, does refer to being set apart in Christ spiritually.

"though... belief in the truth" provides the basis of our election for salvation, thus a conditional election based on God crediting our faith as righteousness. See Romans 4:23-25

 

Your view does stand in opposition to much of scripture.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes,

Rom 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Gal 3:14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:

 

No, you misconstrued my post which is the basis of your objection. Thus a strawman argument.
Did I say or suggest Dr. Mounce was sourcing his view on an English translation? Nope.
My integrity is not in question. Thus an "against the man" fallacious argument.
Did I dismiss all the expects? Nope. Did I dismiss the majority of experts? Nope.
Did I suggest any of the published Greek scholars were "ignorant?" Nope.

Once again, my stated view is not even being addressed.
Is relying on Greek scholars views, as presented in English, somehow less of an "advantage" than relying on one Greek scholar's view, as presented in English. Nope.

About how many published English translations change the Greek noun into a verb to alter the meaning of the verse? 17!
About how many published English translations present the Greek noun salvation as an English noun? 28!
What are some of the published modern translation, sticking with noun? NKJV, NASB, NET, LEB, NRSV, CSB, and WEB.

It looks like the one making the charge of dismissing the experts is the one dismissing the most experts.

 

Nothing changes, the Sanctifying work of the Spirit precdes believing the Truth, the Gospel 2 Thess 2:13-14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

The conviction of the Holy Spirit will cause some to change their minds re the gospel and Christ Jesus but one is only sanctified after they believe not before they do. Which you should understand since you quoted 2 Th 2:13-14.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes,

Rom 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Gal 3:14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:

BF your theology is putting the card before the horse.

Sanctification
In an evangelical sense, the act of God's grace by which the affections of men are purified or alienated from sin and the world, and exalted to a supreme love to God.

BF if one were to go by your theological view "the Sanctifying work of the Spirit precdes believing the Truth, the Gospel" then you have to ask why does one have to believe at all?

But the bible disagree with your view
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

 

Your interpretation...and you're welcome to it.

 

Let me ask this.
Did you believe before your parents procreated you and thus you were conceived and born?
Of course not.
Why then do you demand that you must believe before God makes you alive in being born again?

So, the backwards process is clearly your view, not the person who sees God doing the work.

 

Still nothing changes, conviction of the Spirit accompanies His Sanctifying work in regeneration, which results in belief of the Truth.

 

Okay thanks so much, I believe its scriptural 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Peter agrees 1 Pet 1:2

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Notice the Spirits sanctifying work results in obedience

Again Peter says we believe/obey because of the Spirit 1 Pet 1:22

22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

So whenever one believes in Christ its because of the Spirits sanctifying, regenerating work.

After all Faith is a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

The word fruit karpos means:

that which originates or comes from something, an effect, result

The Spirit is the author of ones Faith in Christ, Give God the Glory !