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So long as Scripture is interpreted in truth, it’s original meaning, yes it yields wonderful things. You start subjecting it to your fallible human opinions “ what the words mean to me “, and it will kill you very likely.

At first the private interpreters of scripture turned against the ancient Apostolic understanding of scripture, then they turned on each other, tearing themselves apart. They nullified the Word, by making it merely a matter of each man’s opinion.
Do not subjugate the Word of God to your human opinion.

The temptation of the devil is, “ Just read and interpret the scripture yourself, you don’t need anyone else to tell you what it means, you are smart, possibly the smartest person alive “

Get behind me Satan, I am not playing your game.

At first he appeals to your self sufficiency, “ you don’t need “ is the opening line, and self sufficiency has another name, Pride.

Then he flatters you as smart enough. He desperately wants to kill you by the misadventure of private interpretation, he watches his snares feverishly and hatefully.
He laughs at peoples destruction ‘ poor creature, it must have been something he interpreted ‘.

People don’t see his snare, it’s practically invisible and it is very deadly.

You warn dudes as best you can, but people walk straight into it, not seeing it. The angelic intelligence is not something the sheep and lambs of the Lord should mess with, though fallen, Satan has a higher intelligence than us, and it is totally geared for our destruction.

Don’t play his game, don’t privately interpret scripture and don’t follow the private interpretations of others, in that tangled mess.

 

The first use of the term "Catholic Church" (literally meaning "universal church") was by the pseudo-"Saint" Ignatius of Antioch in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (circa 110 AD). Ignatius of Antioch is also attributed the earliest recorded use of the term "Christianity" (Greek: Χριστιανισμός) (in Catalan) 100 A.D. He died in Rome, with his relics located in the Basilica of San Clemente al Laterano.

The FIRST man Beast is One from the Gentile nations, specifically from the Roman Empire.
We the Christian people or the TRUER believers in Christ JESUS know that this religious Gentile Beast did rise up out from the waters(sea) i.e. from the midst of the Gentile nations of the ancient Universal Roman Empire, the FOURTH KINGDOM (Daniel 2:v.40-43) that was DISSOLVED in Christ Era(AD) EXCEPT, yes, EXCEPT ITS RELIGIOUS SYSTEM, the satanic Papacy and his Roman Catholic Church, the Great Whore, which wedded with 266 Popes until the current time, whose WOMAN rides upon this FIRST Beast, upon the Popes which have been elected with a NAME OF BLASPHEMY upon the 7 heads, that is Vicar, Son of God, or Vicarius Filii Dei, understand?

Another historical great blaspheme of this roman and satanic Church is to say that our beloved Apostle Peter was the first Pope, this is a satanic lie and blaspheme.
Scriptures say that the FIRST Beast has 7 heads, and 10 horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his (7) heads the name of blasphemy, these were the things the Word of God did say through the former sealed book of Apocalypse that was with God the Father, whose seven seals were broken by JESUS to shew unto his servants things which should shortly come to pass. Rev.1:v.1
In fact this religious and devilish spiritual MONSTER has 7 heads, but to know on this only literally, it is not enough, what matters is identifying what these 7 heads are. Not me, but the Word of God says that the 7 heads (of this religious and satanic MONSTER) are 7 mountains and 7 kings.

Therefore, now what matters is identifying what are these 7 mountains, on which the woman sits - that is the Whore which rides upon the Beast of sea , and also who these 7 kings are. By the way, one of the 7 heads (7 mountains) will be mortally wounded, you know? Strange, no? Can or may a mountain be wounded? No, of course not. But now, what matters is identifying what these 7 mountains are. Furthermore, the 7 heads of the FIRST Beast make part of the Red Dragon's body (Revelation 12:3.Take a look)

The Word of God says: "Here is the mind which hath wisdom. (our God will never agree with speculations, presumptions or conjectures) The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (In fact 42 months, no more, no more) These 7 kings make part of the body of the woman, they are included within the body of the the Great Whore. Again: what matters is identifying who these 7 kings are. Who are them? They are included within the body of the the Great Whore, the Roman Catholic Church.
What matters is identifying what the 7 heads of the FIRST Beast are and where the Great Whore - the RCC - sits.
THE SEVEN (7) HEADS - 7 MOUNTAINS - TERRITORIAL AND SPIRITUAL STRUCTURES OF THE FIRST BEAST, THE BEAST OF SEA, THE PAPACY, AND OF THE WOMAN THAT RIDES UPON THE BEAST OF SEA- SHE IS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
The Antichrist was born and rose up from the own Church-See how | Pure Bible Forum (and see www.sinaiticus.net )

 

We are in the year 2,024 in accord Christian calendar. The prophecy of Revelation is very advanced in the time, now, even now, we can and MUST say that the above SIX of the 7 "kings" have fallen, no more 5, as is written and LITERALLY fulfilled as a whole, so it means now that SIX are already died, and are destined to eternal perdition, to the hell's fire. Revelation 19:19-21. TAKE A LOOK.

- The seventh "king" and last Pope is not yet come; and when he cometh, he MUST continue a short space, i.e. 42 months or 1,260 days, no more, no more, as it is determined by the Word of God, the Word is God.

THE SECOND BEAST - THE BEAST THAT COMES UP OF THE EARTH - THE DRY LAND - THE 666
This is ANOTHER religious Beast that will come up from the earth - a dry land - Israel - an isle in the sea, which has 2 HORNS like a lamb (a false lamb, an ESOTERICAL and MYSTIC false messiah, the messiah of the Jews, an IMPOSTER-JOHN 5:43-47, and he will speak as a Dragon, whose MAN exerciseth all the power of the FIRST MAN Beast -the Pope, THE BEAST OF SEA- before him.

There will be very soon TWO satanic Beasts on the Earth

And the FALSE MESSIAH -the MAN of sin, -the red Dragon-son of perdition -2Thes.2:2-3&9-12 will give to the FIRST Beast HIS POWER, AND HIS SEAT(in Jerusalem), AND GREAT AUTHORITY, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST Beast that had one of his 7 heads wounded mortally and all the world will wonder after the Beast.

And they will worship the Dragon, the MAN of sin, the esoterical and false messiah of the Jews, an IMPOSTOR-John 5:43-47, which will give power unto the FIRST Beast, unto the Papacy: and they will worship the Beast, the Pope(the last Pope, the next to be elected), saying, Who is like unto the Beast? who is able to make WAR with him? (Michael is able for)

And will be given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. or 1260 days - Revelation 11:2-3 combined with Revelation 13:5-9.Take a look.

Who are ready for the battle? Now see, " if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?"

Revelation 11:15-18
15 - The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

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18 - And the NATIONS were(WILL BE) angry, and GOD's WRATH is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that GOD should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

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REVELATION 18:1-4
1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3 For all NATIONS have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

 

@Cathode look at your logic here. The RCC does not do private because it tells people. So every other group has to be valid as what they say is the truth is made public so not private.
Even what I have told you that I believe must be correct as I have been very public about it and that goes for everyone that has pointed out the RCC errors. The difference is that the RCC does not have biblical backing for for the error that it teaches.

You are following a false teacher just as we are told of in 2Pe_2:1-3 What the Holy Spirit inspired Peter to write in these verses could be called a prophecy of the RCC.
2Pe 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.
2Pe 2:3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.

The RCC has not directly denied Christ Jesus but when you look at the errors they have brought into the church can it be far away?

 

You keep saying not to privately interpret scripture. Do you not read your bible? That fact the one reads means that they are interpreting the text. Just as you will interpret this post. Where people go wrong is when they introduce special meaning to the word of God.

We know that the RCC has done this and they have changed the word of God. You are trusting in the private interpretation of the RCC.

What is hard to understand about these words.
Exo 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;

You have said that you pray to mary and the "saints", so you are praying to a statue an idol.
Exo 20:5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them.

When you bow your head in your prayers to them you are bowing down to them Cathode. That is idol worship.
I can agree with one line you had in your post as it applies quite well to those in the RCC "You warn dudes as best you can, but people walk straight into it, not seeing it." The problem is that those in the RCC do see it and still walk into it.

 

@Cathode do you see anything wrong with this prayer?

Oh mother of Perpetual Help thou are the dispenser of all the goods which God grants to us miserable sinners and for this reason he has made thee so powerful so rich and so bountiful thou mayest helped us in our misery. Thou art the Advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee come then to my help dearest mother for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation and to thee do I entrust my soul count me among thy most devoted servants take me under thy protection and it is enough for me for if thou protect me dear mother I fear nothing not for my sins because that won't obtain from the part of them nor from the devil's because they aren't more powerful than all held together nor even from Jesus my judge himself because by one prayer from thee he will be appeased. But one thing I fear that in the hour of temptation I may neglect to call on thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me then the pardon of my sins love for Jesus final perseverance and the grace all's to have recourse to thee o mother of Perpetual health.

If not, why not and if you do, why?

 

Private interpreters of scripture, have the shallowest and most erroneous understanding of Scripture.

Were the Israelites worshipping the giant graven images in The Temple, didn’t they know God condemned graven images.



There were graven images floor to ceiling all around the walls of the Temple.

You ever think that through at all. Doesn’t compute?

 

The Bible is not your book, and never was yours to interpret.

Luther, Calvin and many others are the false teachers, all Bible alone and all teaching their own false private interpretations and doctrines.

There is only one Apostolic interpretation of Scripture handed down in Truth, in Apostolic Tradition.

 

Besides, you contend that Jesus was a sinner, and that is the end result of erroneous private interpretation.
You hold that Mary conceived Jesus in sin and Jesus was shapen in iniquity, which is utterly false.

Once you have gone that far in error, we can’t really have common ground.

Jesus is the sinless unblemished Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
You misunderstand the core of Christian belief, the Salvation story, and the Gospel.

Tragic, but this is where private interpretation leads.

 

Well it’s a matter of perspective, if I was completely pig ignorant and only saw Mary as an unholy, poor, lowly, peasant, sinner woman from Nazareth, then yeah, I’d take massive issue with this prayer, I’d have a prolapse over it.

On the other hand, if I understood the profound depths of Scripture by Apostolic Tradition, nothing in this prayer would concern me.
I’d understand that the greatest blessing God gave mankind, came to us through Mary, Jesus Himself. So everything else is minor compared to that.

And if The Eternal Father trusted His only begotten Son to Mary's care, why would we trust her any less with lesser things.

Mary, the living Sacred Vessel of God Incarnate, who knew Jesus from conception to birth, in perilous flight into Egypt to the finding in the Temple.
Mary who knew Loved and nurtured Lord Jesus so faithfully into manhood.
Mary whose request was answered at Cana even though Jesus time had not yet come, precipitating the start of Jesus public life and mission.

Mary who knew Jesus more intimately than all humanity, following His blood trail up to Calvary, her beautiful sinless and innocent son tortured and hanging on the Cross, helpless and heaving for breath. A sword piercing her heart as His heart was pierced in front of Her, Jesus as innocent as the moment she conceived Him and first held Him in her arms.

Mary Spouse of The Holy Spirit and Ark of The New Covenant, surrounded by the Apostles in the upper room at Pentecost, the birth of The Church in power.

I’d understand these things, and ponder them in my heart as Mary did.

 

They did not pray to those statues or ask them for help as the RCC do. Try again.

 

Bingo, neither do we.

 

You keep saying the RCC has Apostolic authority but you have failed to show it biblically. It is just another tradition the RCC has foisted on the church. It comes down to, we the RCC have authority because we the RCC tell you we have authority. Circular logic there

The RCC has used private interpretation to support their errant views. You are trusting in what some one says rather than the written word of God.

 

The private interpreters try recreate religion from text alone, an error that began in the 1500s. They are still trying to recreate from text alone, in new a conflicted ways. None of them had anything to do with Bible.

Catholics are pre bible Christianity, the Bible didn’t exist for 400 years until the Catholic Church determined the Canon itself from Apostolic Tradition.

Catholic Apostolic Book, Catholic Apostolic interpretation, that’s not circular logic.

 

This prayer of the RCC which you have agreed with is pure blasphemy in that you have elevated mary to position superior to Christ.

She is your advocate not Christ
You have entrusted your soul to her - not Christ
You are her devoted servant thus you pray to her - not Christ's
You are under her protection - not Christ
You fear nothing because of her protection - not Christ's
not sins
not the devil
not even the judgement of Christ himself
But what you do fear is that "in the hour of temptation I may neglect to call on thee and thus perish miserably."
You ask her to obtain for you
pardon
love for Jesus
final perseverance

This whole prayer is about what a dead person can do for you. You have neglected Christ in fact you give her authority over Christ.

The fact that you would even try to justify this RCC prayer shows how indoctrinated you are to the error of that institution.

FYI your "pig ignorant" comment was rather inappropriate for someone that says they are a Christian.

 

When was the last time you bowed your head in prayer to mary or one of your "saints"? You are praying to idols. So bingo you do.

 

Mary isn’t dead. She is alive, body and soul in Heaven.

Mary is our advocate to Christ her Son.

Mary's advocacy to Jesus is scriptural, at the wedding feast of Cana. Her intervention at the wedding feast, proves that, she merely had to point out the problem. And expected Jesus sort it out, even though His time had not yet come she told the servants to do as Jesus said, in full expectation.

Ephesians 6:1-3“Children, obey your parents because you belong to the Lord, for this is the right thing to do. 'Honor your father and mother.'

Jesus can not ignore His mother, it’s a commandment and Jesus can not break His own Commandments in the least.

You haven’t read the scriptures here obviously.

 

I look up like the angels do when they are praying.

 

Catholics can’t ignore Mary either, as we imitate Jesus Mary is our Mother, and as Jesus is our King, Mary is our Queen.
She says “ Do as He tells you “.

So there’s no arguing with Mother.

 

Mary being alive in Christ is not alive so that you should pray to her. By your logic I should be able to pray to my dead mother and father and have them intercede with Christ. It would be no different than mary. They were all just sinners saved through the only means of salvation faith in the risen Christ.

You did actually say one thing that is true about mary, she was an unholy, poor, lowly, peasant, sinner woman from Nazareth. The fact that God chose her to carry the Christ child does not elevate her to holy status or mean that she can forgive sin, that is blasphemy.

You keep saying Apostolic tradition which something that, I assume, your RCC taught you. But if the RCC authority comes from Apostolic tradition which it must as it is not in the bible then you are depending upon circular reasoning to support your claims.

I have shown you a list of just some of the errant views the RCC has and asked you to provide biblical support for them . You have not support even one. You keep saying, but Apostolic tradition as if that is a magic bullet. The RCC is a house of cards built on personal interpretation of the bible and as you keep saying why would you trust that.