The Bible Teaches that Repentance and Faith are Gifts from God.

[Brightfame52]

BF are you suggesting that God changes their minds for them?

If that were the case then way has He not done that for all of humanity since His desire is for all to come to a knowledge of Him and be saved.

The context does not support your view in either of the verses that you reference. In both verses it is the people that must repent and believe as God does not do either for them.

Im not suggesting anything, does what I posted sound like a suggestion to you ?

 

[Silverhair]

Im not suggesting anything, does what I posted sound like a suggestion to you ?

Well what you posted does not align with what we know of God's desire for all to come to repentance so Ya it does seem like you are suggesting something that is not biblical.

 

[Brightfame52]

Well what you posted does not align with what we know of God's desire for all to come to repentance so Ya it does seem like you are suggesting something that is not biblical.

Well it wasn't a suggestion, and Christ is responsible for what God wants and who He wants to be saved. Didnt He send Christ to do that Job ? Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

 

[Silverhair]

Well it wasn't a suggestion, and Christ is responsible for what God wants and who He wants to be saved. Didnt He send Christ to do that Job ? Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Yes He did send Christ to seek and to save those that are lost. We also see this in John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Now if we went by what you have said then God only thinks some people are lost, are sinners, because not all people are saved are they BF?

I asked you if you were suggesting that God changes their minds for them? And responded that it was not a suggestion.
So if God wants all to be saved why does He not make all people change their minds BF?
We know that most people will not be saved so what is the reason BF?
1] Did God not really mean what He said?
2] Is He not powerful enough to get what He wants?
3] Do men have a God given free will with which to choose to believe in Him or reject Him?

 

[Brightfame52]

Yes He did send Christ to seek and to save those that are lost. We also see this in John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Now if we went by what you have said then God only thinks some people are lost, are sinners, because not all people are saved are they BF?

I asked you if you were suggesting that God changes their minds for them? And responded that it was not a suggestion.
So if God wants all to be saved why does He not make all people change their minds BF?
We know that most people will not be saved so what is the reason BF?
1] Did God not really mean what He said?
2] Is He not powerful enough to get what He wants?
3] Do men have a God given free will with which to choose to believe in Him or reject Him?

So that obligation is on Christ to save whoever the Father wants to be saved.

 

[Silverhair]

So that obligation is on Christ to save whoever the Father wants to be saved.

God wants all to be saved BF?
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Are you saying Jesus got it wrong. Or just perhaps there is another reason that not all men are saved?

 

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

I asked you if you were suggesting that God changes their minds for them? And responded that it was not a suggestion.

I told you im not suggesting anything. I showed scripture that stated God gives repentance, and the greek word said the word give means:

b. the noun denotes something to be done by him to whom it is said to be given: διδόναι τινὶ μετάνοιαν, to cause him to repent, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18;

So Christ/God causes a change of mind. Im not suggesting it, Im telling you what it says.

 

[Brightfame52]

God wants all to be saved BF?
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Are you saying Jesus got it wrong. Or just perhaps there is another reason that not all men are saved?

Its on Christ to save all whom the Father wants to be saved. What did the Father send the Son to do ? Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Was He successful ? Did He seek and save all God wants to be saved ? Yes or No

 

[Silverhair]

@Silverhair



I told you im not suggesting anything. I showed scripture that stated God gives repentance, and the greek word said the word give means:

b. the noun denotes something to be done by him to whom it is said to be given: διδόναι τινὶ μετάνοιαν, to cause him to repent, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18;

So Christ/God causes a change of mind. Im not suggesting it, Im telling you what it says.

So why are not all Israel saved BF?
Act 5:31 "Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

You still ignore context in what you post and that comes through in the many errors you make in your posts.

 

[Silverhair]

Its on Christ to save all whom the Father wants to be saved. What did the Father send the Son to do ? Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Was He successful ? Did He seek and save all God wants to be saved ? Yes or No

Did Christ seek all that God wants to be saved YES, did all get saved NO.

Luk 19:10 "for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost."

Who are the lost BF? Is anyone not lost prior to them being in Christ?

1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Did all men get saved BF? Yes or No

 

[Brightfame52]

So why are not all Israel saved BF?
Act 5:31 "Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

You still ignore context in what you post and that comes through in the many errors you make in your posts.

Christ gives repentance causes it!

 

[Brightfame52]

Did Christ seek all that God wants to be saved YES, did all get saved NO.

Luk 19:10 "for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost."

Who are the lost BF? Is anyone not lost prior to them being in Christ?

1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Did all men get saved BF? Yes or No

Well then you're saying Christ did not do the will of the father successfully

 

[Silverhair]

Christ gives repentance causes it!

So you are just going to ignore the obvious failed logic of your view.

Since God wants all to come to repentance then why does Christ not give repentance to all of Israel BF?

By your logic that should be the case but as usual you just try to skip the problem and make the same lame comments.

The bible shows your view is wrong but you will not accept what the bible says will you.

 

[Silverhair]

Well then you're saying Christ did not do the will of the father successfully

Just countering your silly comments BF.

All I have done is show the scriptures that prove your view wrong but you just will not accept that truth.

It really is sad when you would rather deny the word of God than admit your view is flawed.

 

[Brightfame52]

Now to show why I believe that repentance is the product of the new birth, lets look at 1 Pet 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

The words begotten us again, speaking of new birth, is the word anagennaō:

1. to produce again, be born again, born anew
2. metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

So repentance correlates with being born anew, which is produced through the resurrection of Christ from the dead. This explains why Peter says in Acts 5:31

31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

notice to be born anew is to have one mind changed, which is the essence of repentance.

 

[Brightfame52]

So you are just going to ignore the obvious failed logic of your view.

Since God wants all to come to repentance then why does Christ not give repentance to all of Israel BF?

By your logic that should be the case but as usual you just try to skip the problem and make the same lame comments.

The bible shows your view is wrong but you will not accept what the bible says will you.

He did give repentance to all Israel, just not ethnic national israel. Didn't Paul write that all Israel shall be saved Rom 11:26

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

 

[Brightfame52]

Just countering your silly comments BF.

All I have done is show the scriptures that prove your view wrong but you just will not accept that truth.

It really is sad when you would rather deny the word of God than admit your view is flawed.

You showing that you are calling Jesus Christ a failure. Its His responsibility to save who God wants saved. Didnt He come to save that which was lost ? Lk 19:10 Are these the Father desires to be saved in 1 Tim 2:4

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Are they part of them that are Lost that He come to save Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

 

[Silverhair]

Now to show why I believe that repentance is the product of the new birth, lets look at 1 Pet 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

The words begotten us again, speaking of new birth, is the word anagennaō:

1. to produce again, be born again, born anew
2. metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

So repentance correlates with being born anew, which is produced through the resurrection of Christ from the dead. This explains why Peter says in Acts 5:31

31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

notice to be born anew is to have one mind changed, which is the essence of repentance.

Yes Repentance and New Birth correlate to each other but not as you have concluded BF. You have put the cart before the horse so to speak.

One must repent before they will be born anew by God.

An evangelical repentance, which is a godly sorrow wrought in the heart of a sinful person by the word and Spirit of God, whereby, from a sense of his sin, as offensive to God, and defiling and endangering to his own soul, and from an apprehension of the mercy of God in Christ, he, with grief and hatred of all his known sins, turns from them to God, as his Saviour and Lord. This is called “repentance toward God,” as therein we turn from sin to him; and “repentance unto life;” as it leads to spiritual life, and is the first step to eternal life, Mat_3:2; Act_3:19; Act_11:18; Act_20:12. Biblical and Theological Dictionary by Richard Watson

Act 17:30 "Truly G3303 G3767, these times G5550 of ignorance G52 God G2316 overlooked G5237 (G5660), but now G3569 commands G3853 (G5719) all G3956 men G444 everywhere G3837 to repent G3340 (G5721), NKJV+


Repent

G3340
- Original: μετανοέω
- Transliteration: metanoeo
- Phonetic: met-an-o-eh’-o
- Definition:
1. to change one’s mind, i.e. to repent
2. to change one’s mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one’s past sins


Act 11:18 When G1161 they heard G191 (G5660) these things G5023 they became silent G2270 (G5656); and G2532 they glorified G1392 (G5707) God G2316, saying G3004 (G5723), "Then G686 God G2316 has G1325 (00) also G2534 granted G1325 (G5656) to the Gentiles G1484 repentance G3341 to G1519 life G2222." NKJV+

Repentance
G3341
- Original: μετάνοια
- Transliteration: metanoia
- Phonetic: met-an’-oy-ah
- Definition:
1. a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done

 

[Silverhair]

He did give repentance to all Israel, just not ethnic national israel. Didn't Paul write that all Israel shall be saved Rom 11:26

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

BF you are jumping from what you posited that all Israel, the nation, Act 5:31 would be saved, which is not true. To all Israel, those of the same faith as Abraham, will be saved Rom 11:26, which is true.

This shows why you have made so many logical errors in your thinking.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

Yes Repentance and New Birth correlate to each other but not as you have concluded BF. You have put the cart before the horse so to speak.

So when God gives repentance to an individual its by New Birth, so when a person repents towards God and Faith in Christ Acts 20:21

21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

They were born again. We cant repent towards God and have Faith toward Christ unless born again