The Bible Teaches that Repentance and Faith are Gifts from God.

[Brightfame52]

BF are you suggesting that God changes their minds for them?

If that were the case then way has He not done that for all of humanity since His desire is for all to come to a knowledge of Him and be saved.

The context does not support your view in either of the verses that you reference. In both verses it is the people that must repent and believe as God does not do either for them.

Im not suggesting anything, does what I posted sound like a suggestion to you ?

 

[Silverhair]

Im not suggesting anything, does what I posted sound like a suggestion to you ?

Well what you posted does not align with what we know of God's desire for all to come to repentance so Ya it does seem like you are suggesting something that is not biblical.

 

[Brightfame52]

Well what you posted does not align with what we know of God's desire for all to come to repentance so Ya it does seem like you are suggesting something that is not biblical.

Well it wasn't a suggestion, and Christ is responsible for what God wants and who He wants to be saved. Didnt He send Christ to do that Job ? Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

 

[Silverhair]

Well it wasn't a suggestion, and Christ is responsible for what God wants and who He wants to be saved. Didnt He send Christ to do that Job ? Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Yes He did send Christ to seek and to save those that are lost. We also see this in John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Now if we went by what you have said then God only thinks some people are lost, are sinners, because not all people are saved are they BF?

I asked you if you were suggesting that God changes their minds for them? And responded that it was not a suggestion.
So if God wants all to be saved why does He not make all people change their minds BF?
We know that most people will not be saved so what is the reason BF?
1] Did God not really mean what He said?
2] Is He not powerful enough to get what He wants?
3] Do men have a God given free will with which to choose to believe in Him or reject Him?

 

[Brightfame52]

Yes He did send Christ to seek and to save those that are lost. We also see this in John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Now if we went by what you have said then God only thinks some people are lost, are sinners, because not all people are saved are they BF?

I asked you if you were suggesting that God changes their minds for them? And responded that it was not a suggestion.
So if God wants all to be saved why does He not make all people change their minds BF?
We know that most people will not be saved so what is the reason BF?
1] Did God not really mean what He said?
2] Is He not powerful enough to get what He wants?
3] Do men have a God given free will with which to choose to believe in Him or reject Him?

So that obligation is on Christ to save whoever the Father wants to be saved.

 

[Silverhair]

So that obligation is on Christ to save whoever the Father wants to be saved.

God wants all to be saved BF?
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Are you saying Jesus got it wrong. Or just perhaps there is another reason that not all men are saved?

 

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

I asked you if you were suggesting that God changes their minds for them? And responded that it was not a suggestion.

I told you im not suggesting anything. I showed scripture that stated God gives repentance, and the greek word said the word give means:

b. the noun denotes something to be done by him to whom it is said to be given: διδόναι τινὶ μετάνοιαν, to cause him to repent, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18;

So Christ/God causes a change of mind. Im not suggesting it, Im telling you what it says.

 

[Brightfame52]

God wants all to be saved BF?
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Are you saying Jesus got it wrong. Or just perhaps there is another reason that not all men are saved?

Its on Christ to save all whom the Father wants to be saved. What did the Father send the Son to do ? Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Was He successful ? Did He seek and save all God wants to be saved ? Yes or No

 

[Silverhair]

@Silverhair



I told you im not suggesting anything. I showed scripture that stated God gives repentance, and the greek word said the word give means:

b. the noun denotes something to be done by him to whom it is said to be given: διδόναι τινὶ μετάνοιαν, to cause him to repent, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18;

So Christ/God causes a change of mind. Im not suggesting it, Im telling you what it says.

So why are not all Israel saved BF?
Act 5:31 "Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

You still ignore context in what you post and that comes through in the many errors you make in your posts.

 

[Silverhair]

Its on Christ to save all whom the Father wants to be saved. What did the Father send the Son to do ? Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Was He successful ? Did He seek and save all God wants to be saved ? Yes or No

Did Christ seek all that God wants to be saved YES, did all get saved NO.

Luk 19:10 "for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost."

Who are the lost BF? Is anyone not lost prior to them being in Christ?

1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Did all men get saved BF? Yes or No

 

[Brightfame52]

So why are not all Israel saved BF?
Act 5:31 "Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

You still ignore context in what you post and that comes through in the many errors you make in your posts.

Christ gives repentance causes it!

 

[Brightfame52]

Did Christ seek all that God wants to be saved YES, did all get saved NO.

Luk 19:10 "for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost."

Who are the lost BF? Is anyone not lost prior to them being in Christ?

1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Did all men get saved BF? Yes or No

Well then you're saying Christ did not do the will of the father successfully