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The fact that abraham gets to have heaven too doesn't negate that he gets earth. It says this no where in the text. That is you reading into the text. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You actually think it was not reproachable that the reformers neglected prophecy? And no, futuristic interpretations are not recent. The best adherents to your beliefs all claim that the entire primitive church, all the way to late 3rd century Origen, were premillennial. Some even notice that...

Why are you using this passage as a proof text for spiritualizing the covenants of God into a non literal agreement of terms? How is abraham to know what the covenant is if the covenant is non literal? Is this God's method of making covenants? What about the covenant that we are party to? Is it...

I'll answer only if you tell me what a presupposition is first. ;) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Icono, kyredneck, Martin, etc. Can you look over these few posts of mine here Who Gave the Right to Interpret "Spiritually"? Give me a rebuttal? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hey can u look this over Ian Who Gave the Right to Interpret "Spiritually"? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

On the contrary, you can't pinpoint when the kingdom of God starts. Luke 21:31 says that it happens at Christ's advent which you say happened at 70AD, but numerous of your scholars say that it also started at Pentecost based on proof texts, some at the resurrection based on other proof texts...

I already told you that the abrahamic and davidic covenants require the throne to be on earth for the messianic kingdom. You skirted that whole issue and look where it's ended you up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Uhh ladd is premillennial. And whether he did use the verses or not doesn't disprove mine, or prove your, point. The fact that the kingdom was preached as "at hand" distinguishes it from the General universal sovereignty kingdom of God. There is a plethora of adherents to this belief on your...

Wow your tactic is bravo guys. Icono and kyred. Completely ignore the opposing argument and show complete ignorance of any knowledge whatsoever of your opponent. That shows insecurity and complete lack of faith in the strength of your position you know. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hey icono, can you please take a look at this post Who Gave the Right to Interpret "Spiritually"? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Double standard much? The OP is not about Jope, so there you have it :Cautious Where and when do you suggest I address yours and his copy paste nonsense then? Ya I'm not going to play "he started it" nonsense lol. I don't care. I do think you ought to think your criticisms a little more...

Don't quit your day job there boss [emoji28] How about we try this instead: the burden of proof lays on you to prove that I veered from the op. Hey wait a minute, we have your first post, post #9, in this thread completely off topic and then I come in and save the day with my post and actually...

Sure let's trail off on something else here. Jesus' audience is Jewish as per Matthew 24:20, but He says that elect Saints in the tribulation might not be saved. He doesn't state whether these elect are Jewish or not. While addressing a Jewish audience, Jesus can talk about what will happen to...

You're so annoying Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It's annoying isn't it, that these Christians can see double or partial fulfillment in other parts of the bible but cant allow for that same idea to play here in this specific Olivet discourse prophecy. Especially since Matthew 24:20 shows that this whole discourse is Jewish, not Christian. Is...

That's the verse we use to bid each other farewell. You should come out sometime, you'd enjoy it! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

We don't greet each other with a hello, but with Genesis 5:1. It's great. [emoji6] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Genesis 5:1. The bible. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

To each his own weird sect then Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk