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I guess that is what I mean. (I must not have read what you said about salvation in your post very well). What I believe is that one that is currently trusting in Christ as his Savior (has faith in Christ to save Him, etc.) is secure in Christ as long as he remains in that relationship with...

I really do not want to debate this here. As I said, there has been plently of that already in the other thread. You are basically saying what has already been said in that thread and if I respond, I will be saying nothing that has not already been said in that other thread. I will just...

Once a person forfeits his salvation, then he no longer has it. I guess then it could be said that he lost it, but he lost it because he willingly gave it up (I see in the definitions you provided, "give up" is listed; one must willingly give something up). I take the difference to be...

The NASB is usually the translation I use. Here are more. Matthew 24:10 NASB - At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. NIV - At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other ESV - And then many will fall away...

To forfeit salvation is to willingly give it up, so to speak. One decides to stop following Christ. This is not something that happens accidentally. One cannot "lose" salvation as in how someone might lose his car keys. Now, as has been pointed out, there are some different schools of...

There has been plently already said in that other thread that shows how Scripture supports that one can choose to turn away from Christ. I have given several verses in that thread that warn against falling away and show that one must continue in the faith. I guess I could put in this thread...

I would like this thread to not turn into a OSAS versus Conditional Security debate if at all possible. That debate has/is already taken place in the "Yos Can't Lose Salvation" thread. In that thread what you have brought up has already been addressed. This thread is just to help understand...

There has been much discussion in another thread about OSAS, losing salvation, forfeiting salvation, etc. Something that kept happening over and over in that thread was people that did not subscribe to OSAS having to explain that they did not believe in a Christian being able to "lose" his...

How can one fall away from a position they were never in? A person that was never saved to begin with was never in Christ; therefore, how could the person fall away from Christ? Luke 8:13 - "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no...

Without initial faith, the person would not have salvation. Jesus does do all the saving, but we must respond to Him. If we do not come to Jesus, He will not save us. I believe Scripture says we must continue to have faith in Jesus, abide in Jesus, not fall away, etc. (I gave some Scripture...

Why is "continuing to believe in Christ/to remain in Christ/to have faith in Christ/etc." considered a work? Is there a Biblical reference that says this? Christ will not save someone that does not want to be saved. A person must choose to believe on Jesus Christ, believe in his death and...

A person that is abiding in Christ and then chooses to leave Christ of his own will has not lost his salvation nor has been "plucked" from the Father's hand. He has chosen to remove himself from the Father's hand and, thus, has chosen to turn away from / forfeit his salvation. We are secure...

Is anyone that believes in OSAS going to answere this question (posted twice earlier)? Those that believe the Bible teaches OSAS believe that those that believe it teaches otherwise are mistaken. Why would anyone want the Bible to not teach OSAS? I would venture a guess that some or most that...

Will you then explain how the verses I gave several posts ago (in post # 42) were taken out of context?

What I have already posted is relevant to your comments: `I am the vine, ye the branches; he who is remaining in me, and I in him, this one doth bear much fruit, because apart from me ye are not able to do anything; This shows that "abide" is in the present tense here. A person must be...

Actually, I already addressed what you suggest in the earlier post, but I will comment on it again. John 15:5-7 5"I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown...

When understood correctly, the Bible never contradicts itself. John 3:16 (YLT) - 16for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during. As you pointed out, believing in Jesus is...

I agree that there are people that profess to be Christians but are not saved and were never saved to begin with, but this does not negate that a person that is currently a believer can choose to turn away from Christ. Scripture warns against falling away (as I have cited already). To...

Romans 11:17-22 - 17But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, - [talking about believers] 18do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that...

I did not mean for this to post here.