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  1. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    Don’t have to.. he’s already explained it: Hebrews 8:7-13 (NASB) 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. 8 For finding fault with them, He says, "BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL EFFECT A NEW COVENANT WITH THE...
  2. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    This is talking about spiritual gifts, not salvation. Equipping. Romans 12:6-7 (NASB) 6 Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith; 7 if service, in his serving; or he who...
  3. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    Did you realize in Romans 10 Paul is talking about the “righteous which comes by faith” and this whole passage is Paul quoting from Deuteronomy 30? So Deuteronomy 30 is about faith. Deuteronomy 30:1 (NASB) "So it shall be when all of these things have come upon you, the blessing and the curse...
  4. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    The question is “Why is faith the qualifier for salvation & not any other trait or indicator?”
  5. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    No, I’ve not done this. I can point to the distinction between faith and works, yet the Calvinist cannot (which is probably why you’re so confused). To the Calvinist, faith is a work. Yet the Bible makes it clear that faith is not a work. I can also use the law to show why salvation is by...
  6. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    Your Calvinist dogma aside, the question still remains... why is faith the proof and not some other indicator?
  7. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    My next question is "why faith." Why is faith a qualifier for salvation? Is God so insecure that He needs us to believe in Him?
  8. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    No... no one is making works of the law a condition for salvation. I agree with you... making ANY works a condition of salvation would destroy the gospel. However, faith is not a work. [Gal 3:5 NASB] 5 So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by...
  9. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    Yes. How about this one: Gal 3:3-9 NASB 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain--if indeed it was in vain? 5 So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the...
  10. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    Romans 3:21 (Paul) and Luke 24:44 (Jesus) both say that The Law is a witness to the righteosness based on faith, and salvation... and that they talk about Jesus. The question remains unanswered; which parts of The Law talk about the salvation which comes by faith?
  11. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    Nope...I'm quoting Paul. Your accusations are with him and God... not with me. But I'm curious... you never answered my question; Since Romans 3:21 says that the rightousness based on faith is witnessed by the Law and the Prophets... I'm curious what parts of the law you think bare witness to...
  12. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    Rom 10:5-6 NASB 5 For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness. 6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: "DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, 'WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?' (that is, to bring Christ down), The part...
  13. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    I can't find the words choose, choice, chosen in Romans 3... it says none are righteous. The choice is not to chose to be righteous... the choice is whether or not to believe the gospel. Haven't you read Romans 3? Rom 3:21-22 NASB 21 But now apart from the Law [the] righteousness of God has...
  14. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    Also, the coma analogy doesn't apply because the scripture that Paul quotes regarding the "righteousness which comes by faith" says that it is not too difficult for us to make the decision, and the decision for salvation is not made in heaven (where God is). So a better analogy is that we've...
  15. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    Luk 24:44 Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Would you say the same about Jesus? Isn't he turning the gospel into the Law...
  16. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    Except that Deuteronomy 30 clearly says it is a choice.
  17. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    No, just the opposite... the gospel pre-dates and is apart from the Law. Stop trying to claim the law exerts any force on the covenant of faith.... it does not. The law speaks about faith as if it were speaking a parable. Hos 12:10 I have also spoken to the prophets, And I gave numerous...
  18. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    If I say to my child: "I will make you pancakes or waffles for breakfast.... but FYI, choose the waffles... they are amazing," do I get the glory for breakfast or does my child get the glory? I make them either way... but my child can choose which one they get. I still get the glory for...
  19. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    Friend, I strongly disagree. That is why I said Deuteronomy 30 and Romans 10. Romans 10 tells us that Deuteronomy 30 is NOT talking about the law and obedience, but rather the righteousness that comes by faith. Pay close attention to the following.... the words which are capitalized are...
  20. Gup20

    All Atonement is Limited by Something

    I'm a Deuteronomy 30 and Romans 10 believer. Those two passages should end the Calvin vs Arminius debate. Deuteronomy 30:1 So it shall be when all of these things have come upon you, the blessing and the curse which I have set before you, and you call them to mind in all nations where the...
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