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Thanks very much for this. Guess those Southern Baptist founders were not "biblical", according to many in the modern day SBC.

So Christians of the first 15 centuries were not Biblical. It took John Calvin to see in the Bible what the early Christians did not see, and what no Christian for the next 1500 years saw. Okay, I get it now. Biblical Christianity began with Calvin.

If a person, say a Mennonite or member of another denomination practicing believers'-only baptism but allowing pouring, wanted to join a Baptist church, would that person be required to be re-baptized by immersion? If so, doesn't that turn an ordinance into a law?

I've been reading threads in the Baptist-only section that I can't reply to, so I wanted to post this here. Frankly, I was astounded by what I read there. In some of the posts, there was the implication, or assertion, that a person who doesn't hold to PSA is not a Baptist. Really? And all this...

Here is a good article on the Satisfaction Theory of atonement: its origins and development, and its influence on Calvin's Penal Substitution Theory. Both theories are disastrous for true Christian faith. Satisfaction theory of atonement - Wikipedia

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Yes, we have this treasure in earthen vessels. You say the hostility has gone both ways. I did not see Jon or agedman calling their opponents heretics or ungodly, unless I missed it.

Although I have enjoyed, for the most part, reading the threads on the atonement, I must say that I have been astonished and distressed at the hostility and attacks against JonC and agedman for holding the original view of the atonement. I have encountered such hostility on other forums...

I know.

No, ex-Eastern Orthodox, and searching. I feel that in polity, I'm Baptist, and in soteriology I'm still primarily Orthodox, and have affinity with Anabaptists. Know of any church body that combines those emphases? :)

Didn't know where to post this, but just wanted to say I've been enjoying reading the continued discussions on the atonement in the Baptist-only section. Too bad I can't participate, but it may be for the best. I'm passionate about the subject, and I get caught up in the discussion too...

I know this: I have relatives in Romania, and they are very nervous.

As I have said, Protestants think they are so far from Roman Catholicism, but the Reformation didn't reform nearly as much as it should have. On original sin and the atonement especially, the Protestant churches share much with the RCC -- all due to the Western mindset which they all come from.

And it took 1500 years for two people to see it there.

Difference, please?

Bedrock of the reformation, maybe -- except for Anabaptism -- but not in the Bible. Pagan concept inherited from RCC.

I have known for a long time that Luther combined Christus Victor with PSA -- learned that from a Lutheran history and theology book, among other sources. Luther, like Calvin, was influenced by his times and location. He couldn't escape that, even though trying to get back to the Bible. He held...

Among Baptists, are these all the same doctrine, or are their differences in them?

Yes, from reading your posts, I would think those would be a good fit.

Oh, my goodness! Anglicans are probably the most theologically diverse denomination there is, from Anglo-Catholic to Zwinglian Protestant, Lutheran-leaning to Reformed-leaning, Arminian, Charismatic, holiness, and within those groupings, every shade of conservatism and liberalism to be found...