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It's there by extension. Who are the losers in this context if not the people it affects?

There is a huge difference. The Arminian style works salvation in points 4 & 5 only coerced by God. This squares with Universal atonement.

It's not the atonement that saves, but coerced perseverance in good works.

Thanks. What I'm going on so far is the level of logic in Dort's 5 points. And how the New Birth, not works correct it.

We would then agree. See ya later.........

I took it that way.

You might grasp it eventually.

You seem to suggest that.

It says Calvin taught limited Atonement. I don't know if Roger Nicole is right. Points 4 & 5 are universal in nature.

I gave a link proving myself wrong if Roger Nicole is right. I still think points 4 & 5 favor universal atonement.

Does Calvin believe in limited Atonement or not? Many say that Calvin did not believe it. Dr. Nicole proves them quite wrong, but not without careful efforts. Even if true points 4 & 5 favor universal atonement.

John Calvin’s view of Limited Atonement – by Dr. Roger Nicole | Reformed Theology at A Puritan's Mind Does Calvin believe in limited Atonement or not? Many say that Calvin did not believe it. Dr. Nicole proves them quite wrong, but not without careful efforts.

Quote me if you can. I think I said people claim he taught it. And it makes sense out of points 4 & 5 being illogical with Limited Atonement.

So you think you earn Christ's righteousness in the sinful flesh?

Go look it up and settle the score if you can.

It's questionable but many believe he did. How about proving he did not? But points 4 & 5 are logical with the universal atonement position and not Limited Atonement. So I believe he did.

I recall being attacked before saying anything.

Imputation is the basis for regeneration.

I think you need to check yourself out before taking issue with others.

Calvin taught universal atonement. That makes works the means of salvation. In this case, coerced works. I say the New Birth with the new nature in itself produces holiness. Our works never measure up and cannot be relied on. But we trust in Christ's imputed righteousness instead. This is in...