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You are ignoring the issue. Sure, "kosmos" is used in Matthew 24. However, "oikumene" is used in Luke's account of the same teaching. So, what do you do with "oikumene"? You can't ignore it, or pretend that Jesus didn't say it. Incidentally, He did return right after the tribulation He had...

I really and truly don't mind you holding onto what you believe to be true. How strong would your convictions be if you didn't hold onto them? What I do mind is that you won't just drop it when it's obvious that we will not agree. One thing that we do agree on is that Gorship does realize...

I claim to believe the Bible to be 100% true and inerrant. I believe the prophecies of the Olivet Discourse were fulfilled in exact detail according to Scripture.

You holds those views because you are convinced by the "proofs" that you believe to be true; likewise, Preterists hold our views because we are convinced by the proofs and facts that we see. If there is any imagination or guesswork, it's from the Futurist view.

Unless you are a Mormon, of course :). Thanks, I hadn't even considered that passage from Acts. The Gospel was definitely spread throughout the Roman Empire - the "world" of these first century Christians.

Scripture and history provide all the proof needed. Seems like we've gone around this mountain before.

Roby, all you have done is "prove" why you (and other futurists) hold your views. What is said to @Gorship is exactly the way I see it. You obviously disagree with this view, but you won't let it go. The main point of Gorship's topic was to find out information on this viewpoint, and to ask...

Aren't you doing the same thing with oikumene? You are so anxious to take advantage of the misquote that you miss the real point. We are here for a discussion, so, let's talk about this. We have an apparent contradiction, so we need to search out what is meant here. We can't dismiss this...

While we see "kosmos" in Matthew's account, you can't deny that "oikumene" is used in Luke's account.

Actually, it was being discussed, unless you are suggesting that the Olivet Discourse in Matthew means something different in Luke or Mark. They are parallel accounts of the same event / teaching.

Sorta like starting with the conclusion that the events of the Olivet Discourse and Revelation have to be future events, then fitting the view into how you interpret the Scriptures.

Not at all. I said "Matthew" when I should have quoted Luke 21:26, where "oikumene" was used.

No, not quite THAT embarrassing :), since the argument has not been "debunked". However, as @Gorship was saying earlier, the Partial Preterist view interprets quite literally. If you would like to discuss in more detail, just let me know what specific points you have in mind. We will most...

Well, that was embarrassing :Redface I was thinking of Luke 21:26. Anyway, this is also the same meaning used in other places, where the Gospel is preached throughout the world. Now I'm wondering why Matthew used "kosmos" and Luke used "oikumene". Mark 13 doesn't use either.

Actually, Jesus used the word "oikumene", not "kosmos", in the OD. "Oikumene" is the same word used in Luke when Augustus took a census of the Roman Empire, where "kosmos" means "the earth". A literal reading shows that this is a local judgment, not worldwide.

You've reminded me of a song by Rhonda Robison (daughter of James and Betty Robison) from the 80s - "Let's Not Be Satisfied". (I still have this as an old LP.) Part of the lyrics are "Let's not be satisfied with where we are in the Lord, but let's go on...There's so much more of Jesus that...

Isn't it the truth, though? It's almost like a political discussion, where there is no room for an actual discussion. Based on your earlier posts, I am guessing that IFB is "Independent Freewill Baptist". I will confess that I know next to nothing about the IFB doctrines. Could you let me...

@Gorship, I thought I should give you a fair warning. You may have already discovered that there are some on this BB that are very strongly opposed to all forms of preterist views. Robycopy3 is like a bulldog, and he will just keep coming back with telling you why the futurist view is right...

From my experience, all forms of preterism seem to be rejected by Baptists. I was practically thrown out of a "prophecy" class in my church a couple of years ago for even suggesting my partial preterist views. They accused me of subscribing to Replacement Theology, which is truly shows how...

Just remembered that LaHaye passed away a couple of years ago. While I never agreed with his version of eschatology, his "Left Behind" series was extremely popular. As you say, they were influential in leading people to Christ. Gosh, I hadn't thought of Rhodes or Hitchcock in years. I'd...