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An elementary school principal in Nebraska was suspended for telling teachers not to have "J" shaped candy canes decorating the classroom. Reason? The "J" looks like Jesus! Do you think she went through all other candies too to make sure there was nothing else that might offend...

Wonder if they're bringing in grief counselors for those kids. Confused :Cool

Well no still can't say I can totally agree with you. Quite possible God was still talking about the physical order of things.....the atmospheric heaven the first heaven and the the second heaven.....the heaven where all the stars and planets reside. I consider the third heaven a different...

Don't think it really matters one way or another but don't see anywhere in Genesis 1 where it even refers to the creation of the angels but seems only to refer to earthly creatures or things relative to the Earth.

Here's another thought. It's said by Calvinists that God has to put FAITH in one specifically. They say that has to be imparted by God. Whatsoever is not of FAITH is sin. Rom 14:23 So is someone sinning if they don't have FAITH God has to put it in them? How can one be sinning when they can't...

As for me I choose not to be too judgemental towards many of these people trying to cross. Such doesn't mean I'd let them in but from a personal standpoint they probably don't feel they fit in anywhere. They don't look upon their country as their country they probably view it as the ones who do...

Israel's choice had already been made by them when? What are you talking about! Sorry Dave you in your posts it seems you roll out a whole bunch of words which lack connection in any meaningful way about what we're even talking about. Look if we're talking about a human beings capabilities...

Oh come on Dave look how even in your answer you veer away from even using the word choose which is in the Deut 30:19 text. It seems you'll do anything not to acknowledge it's there. Say it then Dave he gave them the right to CHOOSE to have life or CHOOSE to have death. He also gave Adam and Eve...

Well Kyredneck I'd like to believe it is but when have we seen anything ever that really gets the left into trouble about anything. I'll believe it when I see it. It's always a free pass for everything. :Frown

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live..." Deut 30: 19 Well Dave so many things could be said about your reply. First of all....so what? Dave wasn't...

"I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live..." Deut 30: 19 Oh by the way Dave that's as clear a declaration as one can make it so please spare us your claim...

LOL! Ha....Must say a stellar come back. :Cool

And do you think Satan would ever allow God to get away with that? YES I know a very strange question BUT consider the story of Job. The premise or belief in Heaven that God supported was this.....Man was serving God with freedom of will and the devil tried this very thing basically saying...

I suggest you're whole misunderstanding is not knowing what God REALLY wanted to exist. That man would be a free will being. And because he would be this design of our redemption was set up and was decided from the beginning of the world. 1) I said to you what God really wanted was for mankind...

You're seeking to connect that into the question of why God allowed sin to exist or almost (if I understand you correctly) wanted it to exist? So God presumably did this to allow what you put down above? If that's what you're saying I think you better read the whole passage of Ephesians 3 not...

Have you really thought through on this? Why do you think God would need to have contrast displayed? Isn't that like saying a parent is wanting his child to disobey them so they could see what it was like to receive discipline? Would you EVER, EVER be hoping for your child to disobeys you?

Revmitchell--->If when we are lost we are spiritually dead like a corps (incapable of respondong to anything spiritual) then we should also be dead (like a corps) to sin incapable of sinning. Well Dave the two natures is the very issue. Yes but how does that come any way close to addressing...

I'll say! Wouldn't that be like believing twice for the same thing? I guess the first believing wasn't good enough? :Cool

You're not trying to divert from the question I asked? Which was -->Why the need to have such a strong appeal like "beg" or "Implore" if this was all merely automatic anyway? What do goats have anything to do with the pleading, imploring and yes even begging people to be reconciled to God...

And you would claim that faith that leads to repentance is irresistible. Why therefore does it say in the text "....as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God." 2 Cor 5:20 Why the need to have such a strong appeal like "beg" or...