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Nope, I read it again and it says nothing about mankind hating grace and truth. It says the sinful mind is hostile and can't submit to the law, but nothing is mentioned about grace, gospel, or inability of mankind to respond when confronted with the Holy Spirit wrought truth of God. That is...

But HE DOESN'T condemn them finally...instead he shows them all mercy. Yes, he binds them all over to disobedience...I'm affirming that. He is sending them 'on their way to hell,' and is perfectly just to send them there, but HE PROVIDES A WAY OF ESCAPE...A WAY TO ATTAIN RIGHTEOUSNESS....A WAY...

I was responding to that accusation...come on brother, you know better than this...

Where does scripture say this because in my experience (which I know is not authoritative), I grew up learning about God and very grateful for His grace, because no matter how many promises I made I never could seem to keep them...and I need his mercy ever morning. I have LOVED the message of...

Questions, questions, questions. AGain, questions serve to either reveal something about your system you'd rather not admit to OR to allow you the opportunity to explain your view more clearly. This is what 'vetting' and debate is all about. I twisted nothing, I simply asked questions based...

I wasn't meaning to imply you knew which ones were or weren't, I was just asking about your presumption that all others would be subject to salvation, because for a majority of them it wouldn't be possible given the fact that they aren't enabled...yet you appeared to be listing everyone not...

So, you believe the nature of the light (revelation) is equal in both cases too? The light of law is equal in purpose/intent as the light of the gospel? The message of law carries the same enabling power as the message of grace...or lack there of? God's appeal to be reconciled, which is...

Well, you said all those not yet hardened were subject to possible salvation, so I assumed that included everyone...and not everyone in your system is 'subject to salvation... Bro, don't take it this way... I'm asking a clarifying question about your answer as it relates within your system...

Having read several notable scholars on this subject, if they are objective they will eventually have to appeal to mystery on this point...or adopt the 'all Christians will inevitably become Calvinists view,' which is becoming increasingly more popular due to its logical necessity within that...

So non-elect individuals of the Calvinistic system are 'subject to possible salvation?' I'm not understanding this point. I believe blaspheming the HS has to do with continued unbelief...rejecting the HS inspired truth that would save you and remaining in unbelief until death.

Wow, you really have difficulty hearing people who disagree with your perspective, don't you? My view is the majority view of most scholars in the SBC and has countless commentators and scholars who teach what I believe and yet you act as if what I teach and believe is new and unique to...

What????? What Christian on earth doesn't believe this? Why do you think I'm an evangelist and missionary? OF course I believe that apart from the grace of God all men are on their way to certain condemnation in hell. You are still not understanding my perspective, apparently. This is why...

So, the 'light of civilization' is able to heeded, but not the light of God? I'm not understanding how the ability to see but not heed God's light, especially his gospel light, has any purpose? Because it says they 'might turn' which clearly indicates a possibility. You impose your system onto...

I agree with this. Thank you for helping me. Hopefully Biblicist will see it this way too. :thumbs:

I don't hold to that...

That depends on what one means by 'condemned,' as we already clarified.

The part in blue would suggest that wrath is not for those who do accept the truth, but only for those who 'trade the truth in for lies.' ON unbelievers...those who trade the truth of God in for lies, but to those who do believe and repent their sins are forgiven and they are clothed in the...

Question 1: What is the purpose in being able to recognize light as light when unable to respond to that light? Question 2: Why does Paul specifically say they 'might turn and be healed' if that is never within their ability?

Oh, so you mean by 'condemned' that they are 'guilty of sin?' Then we are in agreement. I thought you meant hell, or final judgement where one is ultimately condemned...or the 'non-elect' of your system which would be 'certainly bound to hell without hope of escape.' But if you just mean...

My question was why God would grace some of his children with this knowledge and not others...it had nothing to do with if some are really lost or saved.