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I never said otherwise. But the only reason anyone has to remain under condemnation is due to their unbelief. Nothing else stands in the way of their entering heaven save only their own unbelief. Yes, and the cure to that problem follows with the word BUT, a conjunction which indicates...

Take this to 10 objective believers, people without a dog in this hunt, and tell them to be honest with you. Then ask them if this seems at all plausible to them. Because I could tell you that it seems like one of the biggest stretches I've heard, but you'd think I was just being bias or...

:thumbs: That is the exact point my signature line is pointing out...

You're avoiding the question.... When you sinned you failed to yield, and seek the help of the Spirit, but YOU COULD HAVE. Why didn't you?

Right, and it also equally declares that it "MIGHT" be possible "OTHERWISE." "they have grown calloused...otherwise they might see, hear, understand and turn to the Lord for healing." We agree that those hardened/blinded and cut off by God don't have ability, but what about those NOT YET...

No problem...it happens. But you were able at that time to yield to the spirit, right? You just chose one over the other, correct?

Ok, this one got buried... I can't see how that is possible given the CLEAR and obvious contrast that Paul draws between the Jews who have 'grown calloused' and the Gentiles 'who will listen.' (vs. 28) But I suppose you will read it to mean whatever you want it to mean? Romans 11's discourse...

And I asked, regarding the last time you willfully sinned, "If you were able to yield and flee to the Lord for help, why didn't you?"

The only point I was attempting to make by pointing to Heb. 11 was to show that there have been people in the past, like Abraham, who were declared righteous...who didn't necessarily suppress the truth. This was merely to counter the assumption that Paul is attempting to describe what everyone...

Sorry, but I read all that twice and I still don't understand how it answers this question: Can you explain to me how one is naturally able to 'see, hear, understand and turn to be healed' and someone who is spiritually able to 'see, hear, understand and turn to be healed.' Maybe give us an...

Guys, Please don't change the topic of the thread. Handle this through PMs or you can report the post by pushing the little red and black triangle in the top right corner of a post. I'm not the moderator of this forum and while I agree that "both sides" step over the line, this is not the way...

If you were able to avoid it and flee to the Lord for help, why didn't you? You were granted the ability to do otherwise but you didn't, and I'm wondering why you didn't. What stopped you? Did God not give you all that was needed for you to resist? OR did you just freely choose to sin despite...

I agree. Those who turn to the Lord will be cleanse. Those who repent will be forgiven. Those who ask will receive. Those who seek will find. You seem to think the verses above deny the need of man to first respond to God's calling, but consider the truth: Ezekiel 18:31 Rid...

I do. Jesus said, "Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks." God doesn't have to forgive someone who seeks forgiveness, He CHOOSES to. He doesn't save the humble...

Isn't that kind of begging the question? You have to prove that its not within the abilities of the fallen nature to respond to God's appeal for man to be reconciled from that fall. To do that you have to either establish: 1. That God's appeal is just too weak in nature to enable the...

Biblicist, did you see this? Biblicist, Did you see this question?

So, let's take the last time you sinned. Were you able to 'escape' that temptation and the 'fallen nature' by faith and "yield" to the Holy Spirit, or not? If not, why not? If so, why didn't you?

It's the question begging fallacy to presume this list of those justified by faith were the 'elect' of your system, when that is the very point up for debate. My point was only to PROVE that Paul obviously wasn't attempting to say this was the condition of all people, because its wasn't...

So, the saved man has contra-causal freedom to choose whether or not to sin or refrain from sinning...to please God or not please God?

Again, this isn't addressing the question. If someone is at 0 degrees in the progression and another is 100 degrees hardened, he has FULLY progressed to the most hardened state known to man; then what is the difference, if any, in their ability to see, hear, understand and turn to God for healing?