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I don't understand. Are you saying there is no difference in their abilities despite what Paul says they 'might do?' And if this is the necessary and inevitable consequence why would Paul go on to say, so "the gospel will now go to the Gentiles and they will listen?" If they are under the...

Let's really unpack this. Let's talk about real people and real life situations. Clayton is a 12 year old boy who has never heard the gospel, doesn't really believe much about anything because he is young and hasn't thought about it enough for formulate his beliefs. Carl is a 72 year old...

So there is no difference in their abilities? The person who is fallen but not at all calloused is just as unable to see, hear, understand and turn as the one who is fully calloused? How do you reconcile that with the biblical evidence I've shown?

I believe Paul answers that question when he writes: For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'...

Biblicist, in one sentence can you tell me the distinction between the ability of one fallen, who has not grown calloused, and one fallen who has grown calloused?

Why not? Couldn't God give the lost that option if He so chose?

We need only read Heb. 11 to know this is not the only response of mankind to God's revelation. Rahab believed and it was credited to her as righteousness...'the righteous will live by faith.' Abraham, Noah, Enoch, Job the list goes on and on of those declared righteous through faith...

I'm not sure how that relates to what I said, but I do agree.

I understand that, but you have been born in the Spirit, yet you can still act in the flesh, right? Are you pleasing God when you do that? Of course not, you as a believer cannot please God in the flesh, but does that mean you can't choose to resist temptation and act in accordance with the...

Allow me to reword your statement: "However, the fallen nature IS such a nature that is completely hardened." This is the root of your error. You equate the natural (inborn) condition of mankind with that of being hardened. You leave NO ROOM at all for distinction...none. There is nothing...

I agree. But here is the problem: 1. Your dogma doesn't distinguish between the abilities of one who is merely fallen from one who has become hardened/cut off by God. 2. This hardening is not a condition of all mankind from birth, as Paul contrasts them with the Gentiles 'who will...

Experiential feelings are never a good foundation for doctrine, but I understand what you are saying and how you felt. I have had similar experiences. And I'm not denying the calling power of God's gracious appeal, I'm just not going so far as to suggest that such calling is limited to a...

Biblicist, much of your argument hinges on the distinction in what you refer to as "natural" ability versus "spiritual" ability. Can you explain to me how one is naturally able to 'see, hear, understand and turn to be healed' and someone who is spiritually able to 'see, hear, understand and...

I know Calvinists don't say they deny responsibility, but I believe the doctrine of Total Inability does just that. Total Inability in essence is teaching that men are un-response-able...totally un-able to respond unless first regenerated. That, IMO, undermines the very core of human...

I disagree for reasons already stated. I believe you are reading things INTO passages that simply are not there. Pointing to passages that speak of our need for a new heart, to have the veil removed, to be cleansed, to be forgiven etc etc don't prove our inability to turn to God for those...

This is a really good question. On numerous occasions God expresses a longing desire, patience and then anger or frustration with these people for their choices. If all that is needed to change them into what He has expressly proclaimed as his desire is a irresistible work of regeneration...

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Okay, I think I know what you are asking... I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first...

Can you reword this question? I'm not understanding it.

It most certainly does. You may not see it, but it does. It is all based on the same reasoning. You think if you can show that God must give us a new heart that it somehow proves men aren't responsible for the condition of their current heart, nor are the responsible for doing anything to be...