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Yah......It's creepy. They are HUGE........the man weighs less than a $dolla-ten$........and he has 35-pounds worth of teeth. It's like the old axiom: A man with a button-nose cannot make a good jurist, nor a man with too many teeth a preacher.........It's just a truism. I didn't invent...

K :thumbs: :wavey:

No need to "commit" to the POV......that's not what's being discussed. Just that, in order to speak or debate intelligently and fruitfully about said POV, one must not super-impose given assumptions ONTO the back of a system which DENIES those assertions. You can't correctly guage the...

Precisely.......Naturally, if you apply a Calvinist pre-supposition to non-Calvinist ideology, you will go wrong every time, and arrive upon ludicrous conclusions. You can't do that however, and understand a non-Cal theology. In order for two sides to debate, they have to understand the...

Never trust a man with that many teeth.

Probably not.....I do not think Q.F. is easily provoked. He's a rather cool customer. :cool:

My Eternal Salvation was a coopeerative act between myself and God. :thumbsup: seconded:thumbsup:

I think I can agree with this post completely. I essentially accept the doctrine of "Total Inability" (although I am not a Calvinist). The only thing I would say........is that there is no meaningful distinction between "no Spiritual ability" and "enough to accept Christ" as you suggest here...

Good response.........I am not sure that I think that the child of an un-regenerate mother would go on to glory. I guess I would assume that if the mother were un-regenerate, there is no reason to assume the child would go on to glory (mass mis-carriage). That is, if I understand your...

Yes.........and BTW. I appreciate your candor in your response to my question about how deep the divide is: Perhaps you don't understand what Pinoy is asserting, that's why I ask. He is asserting that someone can refuse to confess the risen Christ as their Lord and Saviour and still go to...

That was the same jargon he sent towards me...........except you are a "kid" and I am a "child"....... You see, it's more clever and pertinent if he uses two mono-syllabic synonyms for the same lame accusation. WD is a "kid". HOS is a "child"......:rolleyes:

Similarly, C......you could also simply start a thread of your own, and then see if you don't get some reasoned responses (which inexplicably won't be "Calvin was a heel") responses. Why must I do it? I don't want to, and I rarely start threads.......quite rarely, I think I've started about 6...

Don't get testy C.........that's just how I felt about it. When did I question your motives? You questioned my capacity to debate reasonably, and NOW you demand a legit debate? And I said "no dice" not right now. As I said you could simply begin by directly addressing Van's argument in lieu...

You don't realize that you ALSO BELIEVE that God chose "those that qualify"? You honestly don't realize that that is also true of YOUR SYSTEM? Beyond their GRASP? No......just circular. Your insult not-withstanding.........that argument is a circularity, and a rather stupid one, really. And...

Did you read Pinoy's OP? Do you understand what he is saying?

That argument you adore so much goes like this: Calvinism is true, therefore, the interpretation I bring to this passage is inherently correct. (it's not) Thus, any who disagree with my interpretation are being defeated by this passage itself. (they aren't) It's circularity to an...

I've already mentioned an entire thread on the issue.......and it was a thread Icon started. So, that has been done already. But, I refuse your offer mainly because you intimated that I would make this about "Calvin"....I don't, and never do. I've NEVER attacked the Calvinist system by...

Dude.....someone on this thread just quoted their own post and then "Amen-ed" it!!!!:laugh::laugh:

They haven't been. Not without obfuscation and avoiding addressing the verses posted and the argument profferred squarely. As usual, they are ignored and any passages proferred have been ignored and rather alternative "proof-texts" thrown in instead. Also, my favourite objection is this one...

I rather appreciate the notes a lot of times........but, some of them are indeed garbage. Like you, I like the cross-references a lot. I find the cross-reference system the best I have ever seen, and VERY relevant to topic usually. I suggest Scofield Bibles for that very reason. Best...