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Good answer, but Simeon and Anna knew Jesus as the Messiah. The Magi knew Him as King,

Creation is a response to sin occurring at all. Satan sinned long before Adam. God can be glorified by saving sinners but that is not to say God made us to sin so He could save us.. Totally wrong

Mar 1:23 And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, Mar 1:24 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God. Mar 1:25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold...

you were not born in the Garden Are you saying you were corrupted before you had a body, as a spiritual being?

no, we sin on our own not through Adam. It is not flesh, according to Jesus.

nope We cannot inherit sin

We were already in sin when conceived, not that conception is a sin.

All that happened long before man , Man did not exist when Satan fell. Satan sinned in Heaven. Read Eze. 28 as the King of Tyrus.

He did partake of human flesh or we could not be saved. We just did not get sin through being human,

At the fall of Adam, sinned entered the physical world, which was sinless before. Sin was already in the spiritual world because Satan and others were here.

Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Sin is not physical nor physically transmitted. Sin is spiritual. Sin affects the physical because of the curse associated with sin

They were all guilty of their own iniquity, as vs 1, 2 show..the sons were not guilty of the fathers iniquities.. so We are not guilty of Adams. Sin is not through the physical lines. It is spiritual. Your body does not sin,

The passages are about all have sinned. Look at Eze 18:2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? Eze 18:3¶ As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to...

You accept then individual responsibility? not shared guilt. This is what the verses are saying. Each is responsible for their own sin

No Pasture is a hard way for a she herd to make a living,, a hard life I was trying to stimulate discussion on this matter. I di have an opinion as to why it is but have not stated it. Satan is trying to keep humans from being born

There seems to be a limited understanding of the role of the Holy Spirit. We know the Holy Spirit was given selectively before Pentecost. Universally at Penetcost Jhn 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as myFather hath sent me, even so send I you. Jhn 20:22 And when he...

Cleopas did not understand scripture. Jesus revealecHimself through scripture. They had righteousness accounted for them but a knowledge of Jesus was shown to them.

It is a general bias, the only thing in these threads is declsri f that this life is all that matters, especially for their saints

Not Jesus. Those who were righteous but not complete. The were made complete when Jesus told them the gospel story just like Cleopas