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Apparently........you are absolutely NOT aware of them, and that, by your own admission as I cite here: Whatever Nazarene School you cited your degree in to sound superior....owes you your tuition-money back. My question is: 1.) Do you know? or......... 2.) Do you NOT know...

Jonathan.......One of my Favourites too!!!!! My other favorites are equally as beloved: 1.) There is a Fountain (William Cowper) 2.) Grace Greater than our Sin (by Johnston) and 3.) Isaac Waats's "Alas and did my Saviour Bleed" <----------The verbiage of this song is usually bastardized in...

Whether or not one can, in fact, lose their salvation is not a confessionally decided belief amongst Arminians........Jacobus Arminius himself was non-committal on the topic. Most "Wesleyans" however, do think it possible. It is usually best to distinguish between "Classical" and "Wesleyan"...

You may dislike Wesley's poem......but, he was neither ignorant of Calvinism's claims, nor did he mis-represent them willfully.....Much Calvinist apologetic has also evolved over time. So don't be so swift to judge his views 250 or so after his writing, from a post-modern perspective. That...

That isn't......actually the Molinist Claim at all, but, you obviously don't know that. God simply KNOWS that they WILL choose as they do, in fact, choose.......THAT is the Molinist claim. Any REAL Molinist...who understood a farthing of the idea knows full well that God might very well wish...

It does indeed........and it is built upon this interesting premise: That is absolutely NO DIFFERENT, in any way, than saying: "Sin, is not Sin" or 3 is not equal to 3 It is self-contradiction at the most BASIC and definitive level....... Your analogy is an adequate representation...

.............That.......I saw....I was merely hoping above hope that you had nonetheless actually mis-represented that viewpoint, and it was missed by any respondents. I cling to the hope that you have mis-represented such a viewpoint....don't prove me wrong, PUULLLEEEEZZZEE!! :praying::praying::o

Believe it or not........Aresman didn't invent that strange idea out of whole cloth...some (presumably) semi-respectable Calvinist apologist, somewhere along the line, has actually argued that to make a volitional or libertarian free decision was to "create" something "ex-nihilo"...and Aresman...

That is an utterly insane notion. Maybe Molinism is inadequate, and maybe it doesn't cover all ground sufficiently for some or provide as holistic an explanation as some strange individuals might insist on....but that notion is absolutely insane. I don't say that as an insult. I state it as...

"Determinism" is not a term used to disparrage Calvinism...nor does it betray a mis-understanding. It doesn't neccessarily imply "fatalism" either... You once posted a diatribe by Boettner wherein he be-laboured the idea that "Determinism" was not, in fact, "Fatalism". If that be so, than...

Friend, it wasn't personal, and I meant no direct offense, but frankly, I have no patience for any pretense that only a Calvinistic Soteriology is a Soteriology of Grace. Whoever initially began using that dis-honest trick did the whole world an ill-turn...I don't think those accostomed to...

Luke........I think you somehow missed the thrust of my argument before, as we BOTH were arguing the same thing too often. Maybe we can try again...I think you missed a LOT of what I was saying..... With respect to this statement though: This is fine.....as far as the analogy goes....but...

And a Happy Thanks-giving to YOU!!!! I am still gonna get in touch with you about a dogo.....but, I have to clear it up with "land-Lord" first......Ughhhh.:tear:

Correct.........Detailed.......and well-spoken. :thumbs: :jesus: Unfortunately, it will not (probablistically speaking) help to resolve the mis-understandings that either Calvinists or Open Theists have regarding "Middle-Knowledge". What truly bothers ME is that the objections that "Open...

No. And maybe I am being a little harsh with my responses and shouldn't be. :( sorry. But, I just think that the almost visceral reaction you would get from suggesting that OT is Arminianism should probably tell you something. Have you read or had any discussions on this idea on other...

That is truly the stupidest statement I have ever heard in my entire life.

This situation is rather simple: Arminians will protect Open Theist's right to exist (at least) and call them "wrong" without attempting to completely remove them from all Theological discourse..They call them "wrong" without naming them as "heretics". Calvinists...........couldn't care...

Always........I won't give you any free-rides when it comes to our areas of disagreement.....but, when you're right, you're right...and yeah, God happens to be Omniscient.