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  1. steaver

    Love Alone Saves

    Two questions... 1) Can be saved or are saved? Can be saved sounds like they are eligible but not yet saved. 2) Is this your personal belief or is this what your Church teaches and believes? Did you miss the "born-again" part? Do you understand what it means to be born-again? Scripture has...
  2. steaver

    Love Alone Saves

    This position raises a whole bunch of questions. 1) Is this your own personal belief or is this the belief of the Church you claim allegiance to? 2) What is the purpose of you having faith in Jesus Christ if you believe it may not even be necessary for your own salvation? Is it like having a...
  3. steaver

    Love Alone Saves

    Maybe you should declare your position so we can understand were you are coming from with your comments about love. Do you take the position a person's Love Alone saves a person even if that person rejects Jesus Christ sacrificed Himself for the sins of the world?
  4. steaver

    Love Alone Saves

    Who's will won out in the Garden of Eden, God's will or man's will? But I do not wish do get this thread into a Calvinism debate. You could begin a thread on God's will verses man's will and begin from the beginning with the Garden of Eden and all of it's players, God, man and Satan. Who's will...
  5. steaver

    Love Alone Saves

    This sounds like Calvinism to me. Grace alone? What about faith? What about freewill to choose Jesus Christ or reject Him? Grace alone would be Calvinism, No? Wouldn't that mean God grants some Grace and others He withholds?
  6. steaver

    Love Alone Saves

    Yes, Salvation begins with faith....that is covered in the OP... "We know the definition of "Faith Alone"; which is Trusting in Jesus Christ's sacrifice for sin, that He was crucified for our transgressions, that He was buried in a tomb, that He was raised to life again the third day, believing...
  7. steaver

    Love Alone Saves

    They are saying God is Love, thus those who love are obeying God and thus are of God/saved.
  8. steaver

    Love Alone Saves

    I created this thread for the purpose of clarification on what appears to be a Catholic position of salvation based solely upon "Loving thy Neighbour as thy self" apart from any rejecting of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. There has always been a debate between "Faith Alone" and "Faith plus...
  9. steaver

    What is the hold?

    You are the one playing word games with the issue of faith here. Anytime this topic of faith alone comes up EVERYONE knows it is faith alone IN Jesus Christ and ALL that encompasses Jesus Christ which includes good works and love. James explains a "said faith" does not save. Only a TRUE faith in...
  10. steaver

    What is the hold?

    There you go! You got it! You got it! Now don't revert back to your works save you!!!! True faith EVIDENCED by works!!! :Thumbsup:Thumbsup YES! He's got it!!! :Smile
  11. steaver

    What is the hold?

    There it is indeed. So why are you missing it?? •(James 2:14-26). •Verse 22 - “Faith” made “perfect”. “perfect” – “teleioo” – “fulfill”. •Verse 23 - “the scripture was fulfilled” - what scripture was fulfilled? – “which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for...
  12. steaver

    What is the hold?

    I'm afraid you do error, faith alone is God's plan, not Luther's. Lol. Do a study on God's promise to Abraham. Children of the Promise. It's not Children of good works.
  13. steaver

    What is the hold?

    Do you really need a lesson on what Paul had to say about circumcision and it's purpose for the Jew? Christians live by the Spirit, circumcision of the heart. you should know this.
  14. steaver

    What is the hold?

    That's a physical, would be part of the fully human part.
  15. steaver

    What is the hold?

    That is correct! Just saying you have faith does not save. True faith is evident by good works. You get confused thinking the works are part of the saving. Paul makes it clear you are saved by faith, not works, but you are saved unto good works, which the true believer will have. You just have...
  16. steaver

    What is the hold?

    Well an attribute of God would be having the ability to see a person sitting under a tree without having physical eyes on that person. So do you have a list of what attributes Jesus laid aside and what ones he kept hold of?
  17. steaver

    What is the hold?

    I believe many people miss the reality of what it means to declare (accurately) Jesus Christ in the flesh was fully man and fully God at the same time. The Word became flesh. The Word did not cease to be God. All knowing and all seeing in Spirit, one with the Father and the Holy Ghost. He gave...
  18. steaver

    What is the hold?

    No one said He appeared. Omnipresent is in Spirit. How do you think He seen Nathaniel under the fig tree?
  19. steaver

    What is the hold?

    There you go! Never! Fully God is omnipresent. This is pretty simple stuff.
  20. steaver

    What is the hold?

    Lol. Who's bankruptcy? What is the foundational teaching by Christology? When was Jesus Christ NOT fully God? Please explain.
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