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I will await Adonia and Utilyan's affirmation that one cannot be saved if they reject Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour. I will gladly accept their confirmation that Jews and Muslims loving thy neighbour alone cannot save them, that they must not reject that Jesus Christ is the Son of God...

Yes brother, there is a difference in what God said and what you said. I do not respect the rewording of scripture to suit one's beliefs.

Ah, kinda changed it up there. lol. 10 "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins". I thought that was the one you was thinking of, but it didn't say "chose".

What verse is this?

Angels cannot be born-again. They are lacking humanity. Born again is for human beings only. So you do error in your attempt to defend your position. The foundation of your argument is seriously flawed. You will have to find a different solution for your dilemma.

This is correct. So God must first extend Himself to His creation. This He does through the convicting power of the Holy Ghost, drawing people unto Himself through the Spirit and through His Word. God is always first in all things, ever pursuing, but it is up to the infant to receive the milk...

Let me ask you a question brother. God has given us the power of procreation. He gave a command, be fruitful and multiply. Many have chosen to not have children when they most certainly could have. Does this mean man's will has trumped God's will? Don't you see how man's will is in God's...

This is actually a good analogy of how God calls folks to Himself. Throughout ones life God may come calling many times with the offer of food, the person can say no I don;t want it or say yes feed me! Have you ever witnessed those mothers who try to force feed their child for their own good...

Lol. No brother. Man's will to make choices is in God's will. It is God's design and God's plan. And it makes perfect sense. God did not want robots. He could have made man without sin from the very beginning, perfect little worshipers who would love His every command and His every word and His...

Here is a good example Herbert. Adonia declares the RCC is teaching salvation through loving thy neighbour with no acceptance of Jesus Christ needed. I have to wonder where he is getting this, if he believes the RCC is teaching this.

But are you not Catholic? Are you saying your Catholic's position on salvation is wrong? If so, why do you stay Catholic? And you say you get this from reading scripture, what about this scripture.... "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall...

Straw man set up by Calvinist to condescend those who oppose them. This is quite simple actually and not so complex as folks on either side tend to make it. We can learn man's will verses God's will from the Garden of Eden. Man's will does not trump God's will but rather it is created in God's...

No you said even satan believes in Jesus Christ, is satan born-again? You have to get a little deeper on just what it means to be "born-again". I don;t think you understand what it means.

I do this because i have learned over the past twenty years of conversation with folks from all types of sects that if you want to really know what a group is teaching you have to go directly to the followers to see what they are getting out of their leadership. It doesn't matter if it is...

You asked me who's will wins, God's or man's? It was God's will that Adam should sin, in fact God set Adam up to fail knowing full well Adam would sin with the temptation he was set up in.

And with all that you still said nothing to address Jesus' declarations concerning who is born of God and who is not. Do you understand what it means to be born of God? You have yet to show you do... "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him...

I asked you... "Who's will won out in the Garden of Eden, God's will or man's will?" You did not answer...

Is it ok with you if it is God's will to give mankind choices and to give mankind a free will of his own to make such choices?

This does not work for you since being born-again means receiving Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. This is why i believe you do not understand what it means to be born of God. Anyone born of God does not say they reject Jesus Christ, that would be absurd. "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is...

Is this really the question? If God tells us what He is going to do before He does it, and then God does not do what He said He was going to do, but He goes against what He said He was going to do, is this how you view the God revealed in the Scriptures? But why do you believe you need Him for...