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With this quote and all the other ones after, I have no idea what you are talking about so I really cannot reply. You are somewhere off in your mind way off the topic or anything that i said.

It's not about "feelings" Adonia. Yes, each of us have our own walk and our own experiences with the Lord. But we are not to base our beliefs upon our feelings. This debate here between us is the perfect example of what not to do. You have set your beliefs according to your "feeling" that...

What i did Adonia some 20 years ago now, was I examined my life according to the Scriptures and this is how I came to my conclusions. I was born-again as a young boy, age ten, but did not have any understanding of this or my salvation until God dealt with me while in a rebellious state of mind...

Yes. So what is the condition revealed in the text? Two types of people spoken of in this text. Those who "say we have no sin". These people are "deceived" it says. The "truth is not" in these people. Jesus Christ is the truth. These people have not been born of God, they could not be, for the...

This is a very sad state. For to say such a thing is to say you do not know how that Jesus Christ is in you. If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His. (Romans 8) There is a difference between knowing Jesus Christ by reading His book and hearing His teachings from the outside...

Hey Menno! Guess what we sang in church today? Victory in Jesus! "He sought me and He bought me with His redeeming blood!" Do you ever sing that one?

Ok, here is your quote.... "The only thing I've said is faith ->ALONE<- is not the only means of salvation". Let's just cut through the chase then. Here is the question which was the bases for this thread, you can answer and clear this all up.... Utilyan, can a person hear the Gospel of Jesus...

Herein lies the root cause of the error in your paradigm. To truly believe upon the Son of God is to receive Jesus Christ through the rebirth, born-again, born of God. "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is...

Also I believe you missed the part "to that faith without which it is impossible to please him" It's about God leading that person to faith outside of the Catholic Church. You keep saying a person does not need faith. Do I have to explain for you your own Catechism? It states it right there...

Exactly! You posted about those "ignorant of the gospel". We are not debating that here. We are debating those who are NOT ignorant of the gospel. They hear the Gospel and they REJECT the gospel. Where have you been????

How can they do so in an "unknowing way'? This debate is about those who "do know" about Jesus Christ and they reject Him. One cannot say they love their neighbour and at the same time they reject Jesus Christ who created the command. Wouldn't that be absurd?

Totally different subject. You posted the Catechism which speaks about those who never heard through no fault of there own. This debate is about those who heard the Gospel and rejected Jesus Christ. Totally different.

Well Herbert, I think it should be pretty clear to you from reading Adonia and Utilyan's post that they believe a person can reject Jesus Christ and be saved. So my question for you is, why would a Catholic believe such a thing since the RCC does not teach such a thing? Are there bishops in...

I miss nothing. I embrace BOTH! You are the one rejecting the BELIEVE part. Do you even know the will of the Father??? Where is it written Adonia? Where is the will of the Father written? Here it is Adonia.... "Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God...

I'm afraid you are losing it Utilyan. You have weaved such a web of twists and turns of word meanings just to reject what Jesus Christ has said and go about to make up your own religion. Can you understand this..... "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe...

Yes, that is what you are saying even though God tells us EXACTLY who is saved. NOW/PRESENT, and who is not. But you reject what Jesus says and have decided you will believe your own thoughts instead. Yes, James covers this in his letter. True faith is evidenced by good deeds. This is not the...

You can explain for us the following.... "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him". (John 3) "While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the...

By saying this you are saying you cannot know now that you are saved. There are two judgment days coming. One for the saved and one for the lost. You will either be at the one or the other. Judgment deciding who will be saved is in the Present for each person who hears the Gospel and makes their...

I believe that you was misleading Adonia into confirming his thoughts that ALL Jews are saved no matter if they reject Jesus Christ or not. Certainly you do not believe this, correct? I don't think many people understands that when Paul says all of Israel will be saved that he is speaking of...

Herbert, We are discussing the very foundation of salvation. Not habitual sins nor ignorance's and such after being saved. This is all about rejecting who Jesus is and the works He has done.