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Herbert, I appreciate the time you put into your answer, but the question at hand is not about whether or not a person actually understood which Jesus one is speaking of. Perfect example, the Jesus Christ presented in the JW's and Mormonism is "another Jesus". Paul deals with this. We are...

Is this true Herbert? Do you have any official quote from Rome on this Yeshua?

I started a new one. Blessings!

That seems a bit more like the Holy Spirit is just watching and if the pick is looking really bad He might or might not step in.

Since we did not get to the bottom of this controversy between our Catholics here, I created this thread in hopes to find out why Catholics are in conflict among themselves over this issue. The original thread which is closed now was at the following impasse, which we are awaiting to see if...

You sure don't hide the fact that your a Calvinist. All non-Calvinist have this low view of God, correct?

Let's see, What God said verses what MennoSota says, what to do, what to do.... Let me read this again.... God...""And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken." (Is 62:12) Menno..."God does not seek anyone"...

Finally a President that doesn't consider the "Political Correctness" when determining what is best for the Country. Wouldn't it be great to have 8 years of Trump and then back it up with 8 years of Pence! 16 years of reason leading this country, maybe that would wear down the left wing loonies.

So now that I showed you God DOES seek us you are probably wondering what else you might have gotten wrong by buying into Calvinism. I would like for you to explain the context of the scripture I provided that you declared I was taking out of context in some way. It seems pretty straight...

Absolutely! You mean kept in context, correct? Now do you have an alternative context for Paul saying the Jew's zeal for God would not save them? I'm all ears! And if you want this debate to end, just answer Herbert and tell him that there is no way you believe a person can reject Jesus Christ...

"Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God." "And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken." (Is 62:12) 2.) The beauty of the church. Christians shall be called saints (1 Co. 1:2), the holy...

Hey let's end this debate guys! Herbert says you guys most certainly don't believe a person can reject Jesus Christ and be saved by loving thy neighbour alone! Please confirm! And I will say Amen!

Winner! God first seeks us! "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!" Jesus' will is to gather thy children...

I seen you as a creditable Catholic who sincerely holds to the Catholic teaching, even though I believe you do so in error. But then you confirm Adonia's belief that these Jews Paul speaks of are saved simply because they are God's chosen to reveal Himself to the world. Judas was a Jew, is he...

Winner!! Now there you went and added Calvinism quotes.

Lol. Good Lord! Even you Herbert cannot accept the Word of Paul/God. Somehow people are just not understanding what Paul is saying and therefore Adonia, you are A ok in believing that these Jews will be saved. You just lost all credibility Herbert.

Here ya go Adonia, as to refresh your memory... Steaver... So how is a person saved Adonia? "Can any religious, God loving person make a freewill conscience decision to reject Jesus Christ is the Son of God and still be saved? What sayeth the scripture... "Brethren, my heart's desire and...

I have many times and you ignore it. I posted Scripture for you where Paul says the Jews have a zeal for God and yet they are not saved. Your answer to this was you did not believe it, and neither does the RCC teach it, in SPITE of what Paul says (I can look up your quote). I have also posted...

Lol, as you see it brother through the clouded lens of Calvinism. Jesus Christ is the Lord of my life just A ok. ;) Haven't you noticed yet that condescension tactics of Calvinism does not have any effect on me. ;)

Let's ask Hebert. What say you Herbert?