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Wow. :rolleyes: If I boast, I would only boast that I understand and know God, that He is the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, because that pleases HIM!

Then you haven't been reading me or Allan. You should get out more. :love2: Better = meritorious, more deserving But we don't believe faith merits (or deserves) salvation. Did the Prodigal son deserve to be restored as an heir, giving the golden ring, and a party simply because he...

You are right...sometimes I allow others to bring me to their level of debate. What I should have said was: "I made an actual argument using quotes from scripture as support, while you provided nothing but conjecture and misrepresentations of my view. Now, would you like to explain why you...

You and I agree on these points...and no you are not a Calvinist...I'd be surprised if any of them claimed you as one anyway. :thumbs:

According to many Calvinistic thinkers that is exactly what they believe. Most Calvinists deny even the possibility of LFW, which leaves the only alternative that God has sovereignly 'ordained whatsoever comes to pass' (a quote from the Westminster Confession of faith). Now how else would you...

In your system, it's only attainable for those regenerated, which necessarily means it remains unattainable for the natural man...that is what I'm referring to. Calvinism treats our view of faith like its a work of the law and so they conclude that just as man is unable to work and earn their...

What specifically is 'faulty.' Make your argument? Are you suggesting that if Calvinism is right that we are Arminians by our own libertarian free will?

The irony of it is that if Calvinists are right then Arminians were predestined by God to be Arminians, and if Arminians are right then Calvinists chose against the desire of God to be Calvinists. Either way, us Arminians are in the 'will of God.' :laugh:

Well said Allan. If it can be shown that the gospel has been sent to everyman (which clearly it has), and that the gospel is a work of God (which clearly it is) then we must conclude that indeed God is at work to reveal his truth, and make an appeal to all people. Now, is that revelation...

What point would that be? The one where I quoted Jesus or the one where I quote Paul, or both? And who did you quote exactly? Oh, yeah, yourself.... hmmm...telling...

The point I'm making is that Calvinists have the tendency to take passages which prove that men can't attain righteousness by law through works as proof text to support their idea that men are also unable to attain righteousness by grace through faith. I'll give you an example. How many times...

I agree, and that IS the point. Righteousness is unattainable if pursued by law through works, but it is attainable if pursued by Grace through faith in the One who finished the WORK. Paul concludes as much in the last paragraph of chapter 9. Who says that???? Is the gospel a work of the...

Exactly, yet Calvinists seem to think belief is like works of the law and is equally unattainable even though this verse clearly states otherwise. The scripture never teaches this. The only people who can't believe the gospel are the people who can't hear it...and Israel was blinded/hardened...

Paul, quoting from Deut. 30 writes, "3 Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. 4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. 5 Moses describes in...

Predetermined by whom? You said God foreknew all things, so how does that translate into God predetermines all things? Isn't there a distinction between foreknowing and predetermining? Sure. But historically God is not known to 'work in us' by some irresistible force that controls our...

No, I believe as Jesus said, "the VERY WORDS that I speak to you are spirit and life..." (john 6) Aaron, TRUTH is powerful! Someone might even say, oh I don't know, 'the truth will set you free'....naw, sounds like Harry potter. :rolleyes: When Aaron speaks of 'a preacher' he doesn't...

That may be the case, but as one who has been both Calvinistic and now non-Calvinistic I recognize the distinction in my deliberation process. As a Calvinist, I tended to reason things like, "Well if its meant to be, then it will be..." or "If God wants me to talk with that person, then I...

What have I specifically said that misrepresents. You just admitted yourself that the gospel is simply information to be believed and that the enabling POWER is in the work of regeneration. Both the gospel (the proclaimed truth of redemption, the appeal to be reconciled) and the work of...

Do you think I disagree with this? This is MY argument. Your system is the one who that teaches the gospel is powerless absent a secondary effectual work of grace (regeneration). The 'expressed word itself' is powerless in your system lest the man is first regenerated. In my system, the...

You act as if you think the gospel has some sort of power, when in your system the power is in the work of regeneration, not in the gospel. The appeal is the gospel, which should be presented as an appeal, not just information given to someone who has already been regenerated. You are avoiding...