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No, its like asking why God would need to confuse a man using a parable who was born unable to understand the clearly proclaimed gospel without a parable. You'd just rather substitute that question with an absurd one so as to dismiss them both as 'silly.' So why would God tell us His motive...

Can you give examples and we'll look at them individually, because I'd bet my bottom dollar that love, mercy, redemption, and grace is at the core of it. Honestly, and this isn't me trying to win a point in a debate, but I've come to know Father as being deeply gracious and redemptive in all...

Ok, this is the impasse... you appeal to mystery as to why God would blind a man born totally blind from birth. Yet, let it be noted that in my system there is a very clear redemptive reason why God would temporarily blind Israel, thus proving the point that started us down this rabbit trail...

So, why do you act as if someone might be shot by a bullet alone, absent the gun powered, shell casing, firing cap and gun? Again, it avoids the issue as to why one must be protected from a bullet with no power? Luke, we dance around this issue long enough. You know the question that must be...

Right, which according to Calvinism, God does by the work of effectual regeneration (Irresistible Grace/ Effectual Calling). Not just the proclamation of the gospel, a sign or wonder, a convincing argument, envy or any other means. There is NO rational reason to prevent these extra means if...

:thumbsup: Well said.

I agree, but what do you believe about those who repent yet continue to struggle throughout their lives with the same patterns of sin? Addictions? etc?

I have that many speaking engagements and I still come here. :confused: And what about a person, when you meet, them tells you they wouldn't respond on a discussion thread about them? We have no reason to believe it was not Lee. He is a normal guy just like the rest of us. Being an...

Ok, just found that thread... interesting...

I'm curious as to who this best selling author was?

Well said. Calvinists wrongly impose the idea of universalism upon any interpretation which suggests "all" means 'every individual,' but that argument presumes that the God given provision of new life can't be squandered or resisted as people choose to 'trade the truth in for lies,' 'grow...

Where was this quote back when I was having this discussion with Glfredrick and others about the desires of God: http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=71850 This quote by MacArthur SHOULD silence the accusation that non-Calvinists (like me) believe God is up there trying to effectually...

Here is one passage where "all" can only mean "all." For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. (Romans 11:32) The same ALL who are bound over to sin, is the same ALL to whom He shows mercy. For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared...

I'm stoping you mid-sentence because this is where I lose you. What Calvinist teaching suggests that man's DEPRAVITY ever 'gives way'? Isn't that the very reason for the word TOTAL in the doctrine of 'Total Depravity'? Isn't "Irresistible regenerative Grace" the ONLY means that would cause...

Luke, I understand that, but if you notice I was recapping why your view was confusing to me, but then I moved to the next point . Allow me to repost it... Skandelon: "If it could happen JUST ONCE that a non-elect person might be regenerated when hearing the gospel absent God's preventative...

Lets take one more run at it and keep it short and simple: Joe is an unregenerate non-elect soul who hears the gospel in a parable, lest he be converted. It is your contention that Joe could have been regenerated if the clear message of the gospel (absent the parable) had been presented...

Luke, clearly we are talking past each other. Your view is very unclear to me and here is why... And yet earlier you wrote, "The idea is that the Gospel regenerates. So to keep it from happening God must take active measures....The fact is that people who believe the Gospel regenerates while...

Luke, in our last exchange I wrote, "And given the fact that Calvin wasn't known to ever teach that the proclamation of the gospel is irresistibly regenerative" And you responded... Then I said, "Can you find any who say that the gospel is the "I" but God prevents it from being irresistible...

Here is a quote from Calvin that gives some insight: "Lest they should see with their eyes." Let us remember that the prophet speaks of unbelievers who had already rejected the grace of God. It is certain that all would continue to be such by nature, if The Lord did not form to obedience to...