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I thought we were... :confused: I thought I did? :confused: You dismissed it as 'emotive' and 'silly.' I thought I had. :confused: How many times have I expounded on my views of the temporary judicial hardening of Israel for the purpose of ensuring the crucifixion and the ingrafting of the...

To the elect alone, not to everyone who hears apart from extra divine preventative means. That is the difference.

I used to be a big time abstentionist and I often referred to the "don't cause others to stumble" argument as my reasoning. But, is my have a hamburger causing the glutton to stumble? Is my getting a new vehicle causing the materialist to fall? Is my working out and getting "firm buns"...

Well, that something that God "GIVES" or withholds is typically called 'regeneration' or 'the effectual call' or 'irresistible grace,' and so forgive me if I get confused when that gets changed to, "a gospel which is usually infused with the work of the Holy Spirit," because the word 'usually'...

I would just like you to admit that some Calvinists take a different approach on this topic than you do, that is all. I'd love to see you provide the quote from a respected Calvinist that is clearly saying something you disagree with and you owning that difference, because sometimes it appears...

I just read back over the last several posts...are you saying you want to discuss your position alone, and not refer to anyone else's view on the subject? Is that what you are requesting? Because I can approach this without using external quotes, if that is what is offending the process in...

Luke, how is my comparing and contrasting YOUR POSITION with Gills POSITION on this issue interpreted as unwillingness to 'talk about POSITIONS?' How is asking to read more about your POSITION, from scholars who support it, interpreted as unwillingness to 'talk about POSITIONS?' Please...

Bro, most of my last two posts was about content of your POSITION. I provided TWO different Calvinistic approaches to this issue. How is that not dealing with content? You seem to think my request for quotes is just a gotcha game, but it is a quest for content. It's fine not to provide any...

With all due respect Luke, you didn't address the content of my last post where I provided a detailed alternative Calvinistic interpretation of the issue at hand. Could that not be what SOME Calvinists (including Calvin) think that passage means? Do you believe that yours is the only method ...

What else can I do when you dismiss any question as 'silly' or 'emotive' that you don't have an answer for? The substance of this argument is in the apparent contradiction with your affirmation of Total Depravity and your affirmation that Gospel is regenerative unless God prevents that through...

We can both play this game. ;) Let me translate the way your translation reads to me: 1. I don't want to talk about documenting Calvinistic scholars who support my point of view because I cannot find any. 2. I don't want to talk about documenting Calvinistic scholars who support my point of...

Well, it serves three purposes. (1) To remind you that I still would like to read scholars who specifically expound on this point. I don't qualify a 5 word phrase from Calvin (which as been taken different ways by different scholars) as a thorough exposition of a doctrinal point of view...

Say hello to the other legalists treading along side you, but I'll be enjoying the fruit from the vine with my brother while reading the book of Galatians aloud in hopes that one day you might join us. :wavey:

Sorry, I tried to stay out of this one, but this is just ridiculous. Presuming that Luke is attempting to justify the 'satisfaction of his lusts' by partaking in drink (1) presumes drinking is a sinful lust (question begging), (2) ignores that his view is one of moderation (not yours), and...

I don't care what soteriology you hold to, I think we'd get along just fine if you lived in my part of of the country. We'd be out on my boat this Friday talking theology and drinking a brew. :thumbsup: Maybe even a cigar? :laugh:

This idea of God "typically infusing the proclamation of the Gospel" with effectual regeneration, is new to me and I've been reading, studying and writing on this subject for 23 years. I've also run it by a few much more intelligent and studied individuals than myself and they also have not...

Walk us through it: Joe, a non-elect man, hears the gospel proclaimed (WITHOUT parables or extra preventive means), the Holy Spirit doesn't regenerate him because he isn't elect, so he naturally rejects the Gospel's appeal and moves on. Right? Or are you saying God MUST NECESSARILY use...

Studies which show the health benefits of occasional use of alcohol shouldn't surprise us as believers, after all Paul, UNDER THE INSPIRATION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND WITHOUT A CAVEAT, said, "Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses."...

You must add a caveat to that part of the statement....remember, you used it before, "if the Holy Spirit effectuates it," or as you say later in this post, "when charged with the Holy Spirit." Its not a cure for anything UNLESS the HS does something more (which Calvinists typically refer to as...

Okay...let's stop addressing each other and address only the topic at hand please...