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As he taught of us avoiding gossip and gluttony, but a brief survey of the average American church makes one wonder...

I agree, but that doesn't mean a sinner can't follow the right rule. A sinner can, and often does follow the right rules. The point is that mankind can't attain righteousness by Law through Works, but only by Grace through Faith. Calvinists seem to equate Law to Grace and Works to Faith by...

They can keep the rules. There is nothing impeding them from keeping all the right rules, but the point is that they can't earn righteousness by doing so. So, THEY technically could keep all the right rules, but even still would be condemned. That is the point of scripture. Scripture isn't...

Well it proves that men will not obey the law, but even if they did it wouldn't be enough to earn their way to heaven, because grace can't be merited, not even by faith. Even the most faith filled person in the world doesn't deserve God's saving grace! God has graciously chosen to count...

Because it is difficult, uncomfortable and people know their salvations don't depend on it... Just being honest as it why I believe it isn't addressed much.

The gospel, according to Paul, is an "APPEAL to reconciliation," not a mere tool to inform the already reconciled. The word APPEAL in and of itself clearly connotes the idea of a needed and expected response. "We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through...

Thank you and I look forward to it... I barely have the time when I come here to engage the discussions I've already started. I really don't feel like wading through every other posters responses and correcting their nuanced views. And to be fair, I don't expect you to do so with Icon...

It matters if you believe, as we do, that scripture does NOT teach that all men are born "Totally Depraved" (i.e. so blind from birth that a clear proclamation of the gospel could not and would not convert them UNLESS first effectually regenerated by the Holy Spirit). We are arguing the...

Awww, so you are willing to read Romans 9-11 from a 'corporate' perspective? Good, now take that same method and apply it to your interpretation of Romans 9. But, even I affirm along with many Calvinists that nations are made up of individuals. So, if God bound all over to disobedience, how...

My arguement is that it is not one or the other, but both. Its an exegeses of Mark 4 and Matt. 13. And its not just a "why" question it is a logical one. It doesnt appear logical to assume a man is born totally blinded from understanding the gospel (as Calvinism does) while scripture clearly...

So, in what 'sense' does He NOT ordain (predetermine) everything? And how is what I said inaccurate?

Icon, I'd welcome an audit of our posts over the past years to see which if us actually references and exegetes scriptures the most. You know full well this comment is nothing more than meant to inflame and falsely accuse. You can do better than that.

So, you now blindly accept whatever Reformed believers say too? What else could 'unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass' mean? My point exactly!

The Westminster Confession of Faith, a known and widely respected confession of Reformed scholars states, "I. God from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass" Now, I would presume that what I believe (my...

Contradiction with HIS expressed deterministic views, not contradiction with his quote.

What specifically I have said that is misrepresentative? Bob believes that all things, including my soteriological views, are unchangeably decreed to be what they are before I'm even born. Thus, for him to express pity for me, is to express pity for an unchangeable decree of God. Telling me...

I think the same of you my friend! :thumbsup: I love you bro, you know I do, but my argumentation is not purely emotive. I reference scripture to support my views as much as any reformed believer, and I always attempt to address the interpretations of texts presented by my opponents. Now, I...

I'm just wondering if anyone catches the irony (or maybe the word is 'contradiction') of Dr. Bob's statement. Dr. Bob has pity on those who GOD, for whatever reason, decided not to grant correct soteriology. If Dr. Bob's system is true, then God, not us poor pitied non-Calvinists, decided...

I was about to respond to Luke's OP, but I happen to stumble on this response, and I don't think I need to now. Well said brother!!! :thumbsup:

Oh, really? Where did he get the idea? :laugh: