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In light of this discussion, what do you all think of this: "And Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing beside him on his right hand and on his left; and the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab, that he may go...

All about Grace, As I said, this issue of ecclesiology is one in which different opinions will prevail; I appreciated the way you articulated your view. I understand what you're saying. The bottom line for me is pretty simple: I can't even imagine a New Testament gathering on the Lord's Day...

Don, I believe so...I know Forbes did an article on Warren's marketing savvy. I'll look around...

GeneBridges: BRAVO!! You are correct.

tinytim, Yes, they had a purpose. But, that purpose was based on the apostle's doctrine and that has been preserved in the Word of God. When you read the apostle Paul's NT letters you see clear, bold, uncompromising truth. I think it has been demonstrated repeatedly that Rick Warren has...

blackbird, Thank you - I am encouraged by this. I also wanted to thank you for editing a couple of posts that got too personal. I should have been more careful. God bless, Brian

Joseph, Well done; very cogent and scriptural arguments. You are correct.

you just don't get it, do you gb93433? Read Acts 2:42 and see what their activities were: prayer; the apostle's doctrine; fellowship; communion. It had nothing to do with marketing.

Please notice the verb in my post: "striving to get a lot of visitors" The early church didn't throw a 40 days of purpose campaign, for example, in order to attract people... :) Just trying to have some fun. Ya'll need to read these posts more carefully.

The opening post didn't ask about 1 Cor. 3:1

So I guess most of the Corinthians were not saved, and so is Samson, and Solomon, Lot.... [/b]</font> Please read my post above; that is not what I'm saying. The OP asks about Romans 8:6 - I am answering this question based on the immediate context.

Helen, Thank you - I agree with your exposition on the scriptures you listed...however, The context of Romans 8 is what leads me to say these are unsaved people in verse 6...please consider the rest of the passage: Romans 8:6-11 (ESV) 6 To set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the...

I respect your opinion. I would say most churches fit in the same category as you describe. I was in the same boat not too many years ago. Here's a fair and simple question: based on passages such as Luke 15 as well as the example of Jesus on earth, do you believe the focus of God is more on...

I think the "carnally minded" person in Romans 8:6 is unsaved. Other translations show that as "fleshly". I don't think they are saved.

Webdog said: "Just because a word in the Bible refers mainly to one group of people the majority of the time, does not automatically mean this is the only group the word can apply to. Take the word "hate". Jesus says whoever hates his brother is a murderer. Later we are told to "hate" our...

Marcia, You asked if God ordains something does that mean He makes people do certain things. Please look at this article and then share what you think: http://www.desiringgod.org/library/topics/suffering/god_and_evil.html

I am not suggesting they are mutually exclusive that is why I used the word "focused". What I am suggesting is that a church will usually focus more attention on one of those two things. Most tend to focus on keeping. For example if your church decided to become seeker-sensitive and focus on...

You cannot even see the error of your own quotes -- I guess you are only qualified to point out the errors of others. You said in an earlier post that we were instructed to examine things like the Bereans. I simply asked where that instruction was given. But then again, you are ignoring...

Yes, it was, but God used that as part of his plan for redemption. Man meant it for evil, but God used it for good, as when Joseph was sold into slavery (Gen 50.20). [/b]</font> Marcia, Here's where it gets tricky: Did God "use it" or did He "ordain it"? Seriously, was He surprised that...

Gina, Yes, that link is to a site that has parady, but please notice that the Warren article was not in the parody section. Come on folks! See this, for example: http://www.sacredsandwich.com/disclaimer.htm