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For general historical background, I think the Wikipedia does a good job: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinism

I think the elders at Bethlehem Baptist (John Piper's church) have done an excellent job summarizing Calvinism: http://www.desiringgod.org/library/topics/doctrines_grace/tulip.html

Me4Him, What's with all your "QUOTATION MARKS"?

The 1689 confession is nothing but the Westminster Confession with a Baptist flair. What you call "Historic Baptist" is Reformed, no matter what you call it. Mark Osgatharp [/b]</font> Sure, but the issue of water baptism is different, that is the point of the opening post!

No, Marcia, He doesn't "take over" our will, He changes our hearts and we therefore have changed desires toward Him. Our "heart of stone" is removed. That's the key.

Ah...what is so sad, Helen, is that your version of the gospel has YOU as the puppeteer and you are directing your future and controling your destiny. Poor God, the Puppet in your theology, has no power to do anything unless your "free will" allows Him to. Is your God a puppet Helen? My God...

Helen, "Calvinism's puppetry"? That would be funny if it didn't represent such a significant lack of understanding...

Just a humor break... http://www.sacredsandwich.com/photo23.htm

I think a review of the sermons in Acts is the best place to begin (you said the beginning of the church to today). Jesus and the apostles agree that belief, repentance and baptism were all key components when they preached. I can't comment much on the later centuries; I don't know. If you...

webdog, Unless, of course, you have already misinterpreted 2 Peter 3:9... :)

All about Grace said: "And again Scripture is silent on this issue, so there is no genuine argument against a church that chooses to use seeker services to fulfill this purpose." Yes, there are many, many genuine and compelling arguments against church services that have been influenced by and...

All about Grace, Yes, it has been shown that Warren has not been consistent in teaching that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. Do you want me to produce transcripts from the Larry King Show? I can also show you excerpts from other interviews... Just let me know.

All About Grace, I am not too interested in pursuing this much further...it just isn't possible to parse this thing out with dogmatic certainty. But, I'm happy to answer your questions. You parenthetically said "without changing the central message" as you discussed Paul adjusting for his...

Good augmentation on all of this Helen...

I wanted to share an excellent article on God's absolute sovereignty over everything. It's worth reading because it is almost all scripture: http://www.eschatology.com/sovereignty.html

webdog, Thank you for posting all of Romans 8. Although you highlighted the phrases the show Paul addressing believers, you didn't highlight the phrases that show him contrasting those believers with unbelievers. Again, the context of this chapter indicates the "carnally minded" individuals...

God is sovereign over the entire universe: Ps 103:19; Rom 8:28; Eph 1:11 God is sovereign over all of nature: Ps 135:6-7; Mt 5:45; 6:25-30 God is sovereign over angels & Satan: Ps 103:20-21; Job 1:12 God is sovereign over nations: Ps 47:7-9; Dan 2:20-21; 4:34-35 God is sovereign over human...

So, Me4Him, Can the angels still rebel at this moment? What (Who - hint hint) is preventing the angels from sinning?

Me4Him, No, your argument makes no sense. "if you love me, I will love you"? Are you kidding? How many times do we have to bring up Romans 9 as proof that your conclusion isn't true?

Word Walker, What is preventing the angels who didn't fall and are currently serving God from falling? Do they still have the "free will" to rebel, as Lucifer did?