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THE WESTMINSTER CONFESSION OF FAITH (1646) "Our first parents, begin seduced by the subtlety and temptations of Satan, sinned in eating the forbidden fruit. This their sin God was pleased, according to his wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to his own glory." (Chapter...

Answer the point I have made from the Westminster Confession

Yes, but NOT only the "elect"!

1. There is no such thing as "total depravity" in the Holy Bible. As I have shown from John 5:25, Jesus very clearly says that the spiritual dead CAN HEAR the Gospel! 2. What makes the Calvinist "elite" in God's eyes? 3. The sins of the whole human race have been "atoned" for, but without...

THE WESTMINSTER CONFESSION OF FAITH (1646) "Our first parents, begin seduced by the subtlety and temptations of Satan, sinned in eating the forbidden fruit. This their sin God was pleased, according to his wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to his own glory." (Chapter...

Why you arguing with me? This is what Grudem and Calvinism teaches!!! Read the start!

As I have said, there is a big difference between "permitting" and "causing"

Yes, Jesus' death was "predetermined" by God, because as part of the Plan for Redemption, Jesus had to die on the cross. However, God used and not caused Judas to betray Jesus, as God cannot tempt or lead anyone to do evil!

their "theology" does!

There is a BIG difference between God "permitting" and "ordaining", unless the meaning of these words have been changed!

your reply shows nothing at all. This doctrine that Calvinism promotes, was NOT part of the Church from the Apostles till Augustine, who is responsible for "predestination" that has been pushed by Calvinism. Are you saying that the Church for about 350 years was wrong? This doctrine has been...

Listen to Acts 28:26-27 "“‘Go to this people, and say, “You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive.” For this people’s heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed; lest they should see with their eyes...

You still do not address the main point. that ALL those whom here Jesus addresses these words to, are murdering Jews, ALL of whom He offers salvation to. This He only could have done sincerely, IF He had made provision for THEM also in His Atonement. It cannot be that difficult to understand!

I would like to hear from ALL (yes, I really do mean ALL) the Calvinists here, why they think they are "elect"?

the first four "points" of TULIP are grave ERROR!

What you say does not disprove the fact that Jesus tells ALL these murdering Jews, that THEY CAN LIVE if they listen to His voice and respond by ACCEPTING the Gospel for the salvation! I really cannot understand why [Edited: Name Calling] Calvinists hate the so-called "non elect" so much...

"And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath. But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.” Jesus Is Equal with GodThis was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking...

You see the difference is very simple. While I believe that every person is dead in sins, I do not believe that this "dead" means that they cannot hear the Gospel, but rather they are "dead" in their relationship with God, due to sin. The work of the Holy Spirit, as Jesus said in John 16, is to...

You say, "The truth is that they refuse to come". how can they "refuse" which is the exercise of their "will", if as you believe, they don't have a "free will", which is the ability to make a choice between options! No person can ever get saved if they do not repent BEFORE. You are teaching a...

I did not say that. Repentance and faith are a pre-requirement for salvation