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Do you mean 'based on desires' or do you really mean 'determined by desires?' The agent is the determiner, not the desire. A desire is an influence, not a determiner. We are determiners. We make the determinations based on a host of influential factors. An actor determines the act. A...

You are unable to adequately answer the question as to why God is willing to save you and not another. To tell you WHY a free moral agent makes a choice would be conceding the point up for debate. You assume a deterministic response is necessary. Why did a chooser make a choice? He is the...

One bad turn deserves another...

And yet Heb. 11 has a list of people who were willing, so what's your point? Some are willing and some aren't.

Right. That is MY point. HE seeks to save the lost. You quoted Rom 3:10 which teaches we don't seek God as if that somehow proves we can't respond to a God who seeks us. You have yet to quote a verse that supports the idea that men are unable to willingly respond to God's appeal for...

Restricted than is bound now as cals would define granted by his freedom if permited to have being originally. Right?

My answer back though be would just as much will thats free so cals seeings God us grants, and the fall of that which affects it than.

:thumbsup: I agree with WebDog. This is an excellent post and thus far his prediction of it being ignored is unfortunately accurate.

I agree. I think we all need to be reminded what Jesus taught about the Spirit. He said, "The very words I speak to you are spirit and life." (Jn 6) He was referred to as the Truth and the Word. The Spirit likewise is often called the Spirit of Truth. And we all know it is the Truth that...

Yes, and God sought them. Apparently you think they couldn't speak to God, converse with him or be reconciled? I guess you think the only reason they got clothes from God and had a discussion with him was because they were regenerated first? Huh??? I'm not sure what you are talking about...

Sure. I believe in contra-casual freedom..."A choice to act is free if it is an expression of an agent's categorical ability of the will to refrain or not refrain from the action (i.e., contra-causal freedom)." :sleeping_2:

What determined that I choose one option over another? I do. You may not realize it but this question is the fallacy of "question begging" because you assume a deterministic response is necessary. We believe an actor determines an action. A chooser determines a choice. A determiner makes...

No, but they can be compared and your view lines up directly under that comparison. A person born with a mental illness who commits a crime is declared 'not guilty' by reason of insanity. Why? Because he was born unable to do otherwise. The same is true of your dogma. Men are born unable to...

Winman, he virtually believes we are mere animals who react to stimuli. Like a lion offered a salad or a steak. He will always choose a steak because that is his greatest instinctive desire. Animals don't have the ability to discern between available options and choose among their desires...

Which is why God sent his Son, the apostles, the church, the scripture and His Spirit as means to seek and save the lost. Proof that we don't initiate the search process is not proof that we cannot willingly respond to a God actively seeking us. But nice try. :thumbs: Amen. And???? Is...

Yeah, I'm always going around bragging to everyone about the time I found myself in the pig sty of my life, broken, and dejected without hope and helpless crying out for help. I love boasting about my weaknesses and humiliation, it is so much fun. Plus, I'm only doing what the Lord told me to...

The Occupy crowd doesn't want to get off their butts and get a job, but that doesn't mean they are unable to do so. If they were unable to willingly seek employment (like if they were mentally disabled) then they would have a good excuse for not getting a job. That is what your doctrine...

I agree that Jesus cannot fail, but the assumption that if Christ wants someone to come to faith and they refuse then it is a failure on Christ's part is absurd. It's as absurd as thinking that when we sin, which he likewise doesn't want us to do, that it is HIS failure rather than ours. No, I...

So, since you teach that all are born dead, you must be arguing that the elect are made alive in order to believe so that he may be made alive yet again? Is that correct?

You wrote, "the lifeguard is Jesus, who is the only one who CAN give life and He never fails," which assumes that if Christ were to genuinely invite someone to be reconciled and they chose to reject such as appeal then Christ would have failed. I thought Jesus was the lifeguard who never...