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DHK, Instead of speaking directly to the question of Sola Scriptura, you're once again discussing another topic. However, your attention to this topic does raise a question in my mind. Please consider these quotes: Writing to the Roman Church in the 2nd Century, St. Ignatius said the...

Hello- I am not sure why it is still possible to post here. Had I known the conversation was going to be open for a bit longer I would have proofread my longer response to Martin. Since I have another chance to respond, though, I would like to speak to your point. As I see it, your point...

Hello, ReformedBaptist- Since a Catholic believes that Christ instituted the Papacy and founded the Catholic Church, to suggest that s/he must choose either His Word or Catholic Popes represents a false dilemma. Unfortunately, since this conversation is being ended abruptly, we will likely not...

continued: You responded: What I notice is that you are not prepared to take the onus of proof upon yourself and show why the fact that our Lord specifically condemned tradition still permits you to follow it. Until you do that, with respect, everything else you write is so much hot air. My...

continued: My newest response: So if I don’t refer to Scripture, my point is illegitimate because I am following tradition. But if I cite Scripture, my doing so, in your mind, represents a demonstration of the legitimacy of the doctrine of Sola Scriptura? That doesn’t add up. The fact that...

continued: You continued: As for Papal Succession, I deny the Papacy altogether. Where is a 'Pope' found in Scripture? Where are your 'cardinals' and all the other placemen? What saith the Scriptures?"Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven"(Matthew...

continued: I responded: ...Also, you mentioned recent events. The betrayal of Christ by Judas Iscariot, one of the 12 whom He selected to be an Apostle, isn't exactly a recent event. Neither are St. Peter's denials of Christ. Did you have some other unique and innovative sins in mind worse than...

continued: You continued: If the Lord Jesus had recommended some 'godly' traditions to us, you might have a point. But He didn't. He taught sola Scriptura and condemned tradition (Mark 7:5-8) as you know very well. My newest response: As I mentioned above, tradition is not inherently and...

continued: You responded: Ah! I said earlier that we would come to this sooner or later. I think we shall need to start a new thread on this, but it certainly needs to be tackled. My newest response: Earlier you stated that essentially God’s argument is the Scripture itself (Here are your...

continued: much greater weight, and a more steadfast witness of truth, than Valentinus, and Marcion, and the rest of the heretics. He it was who, coming to Rome in the time of Anicetus caused many to turn away from the aforesaid heretics to the Church of God, proclaiming that he had received...

continued: inasmuch as the tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere… The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles...

continued: You continued: Irenaeus and Tertullian state emphatically that all the teachings of the Bishops that were given orally were rooted in Scripture and could be proven from the written word. Both men give the actual doctrinal content of the apostolic tradition that was orally preached in...

continued: St. Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, Epistle to the Trallians: “I exhort you therefore, or rather not I, but the love of Jesus Christ, that you use none but Christian nourishment, and abstain from pasture which is of another kind: I mean heresy... For they who are heretics, while they...

continued: I continued: For that matter, why isn't there a record of Christ clearly teaching such a doctrine? You responded: There is, as I have pointed out to you. As with the Trinity, it is not spelled out as you seem to want, but it's there. My newest response: You have pointed out, by...

continued: You responded: He has. Scripture is given 'that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.' What extra thing is 'tradition' going to bring us? What good work in addition to 'every' is it going to equip us for? Paul is clearly teaching Sola Scriptura. My...

continued: I continued: Apart from having presented another non sequitur, again, you're still failing to speak to the actual point that I've raised. In other words, you blew right past that non sequitur and, building upon its cracked foundation, you're moving on to more straw men. You...

continued: You responded, saying: You are being silly here. The Lord Jesus was making Scripture as He spoke. What is Scripture but the word of God written down? Our Lord said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words will by no means pass away' (Matt. 24:35 etc.). Nor have they, for by...

Being rather new to this forum, I am not sure if the closing of a conversation like this is normal. Neither do I know why this is occurring. Thanks for the heads up, though! Since this will be cutting things short, I am going to post my second response to Martin below in hopes of covering some...

Martin, I have another response to you which has become quite lengthy. Because of that, I am going to keep it for now and possibly draw from it as the conversation proceeds. For now, here goes: There is a big difference between seeking to establish a probability through induction and...

Martin, In the exchange of conversation it's easy to not say things that should be said. I want to say that regardless of how one looks upon the case of William Tyndale, it is a shame and a scandal that things happened the way they did. I lament Tyndale's death and am glad that we Christians...