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Herald, First, allow me to say thank you for the manner of your posts. You are cordial and on topic, a refreshing combination. :) The distinction I'm attempting to draw is not between Amyraldians and Calvinists because that presumes Calvin wasn't an Amyraldian in some respects. It think...

Thanks for the insightful input into the age long discussion regarding the atonement in which even those scholars within the Reformed tradition have debated vehemently for generations. You have been very helpful. :applause:

So, let me restate what you are agreeing to. God ordained for some here to write in ignorance thus leading some astray to an eternal hell? This is why you say that some's behavior here is "dangerous" and can affect the eternal souls of man, right? And yet you speak about it as if you are...

Then why do you say, "so long as he is not suffering for sins that will still be punished." You say, "The cross is perfectly sufficient for the sins of those who will be saved by it." But you fail to acknowledge that some Calvinistic scholars believed and taught that the atonement is...

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In another thread Luke made these comments: Luke, I'm not pointing out these points to be contentious, but I honestly want to understand how a consistent Calvinist believes that those who post in ignorance may have "eternal consequences," "endanger the souls of men," and be "extremely...

I think the way Paul begins that chapter may shed some light on a problem that is quite evident: "1 By the meekness and gentleness of Christ, I appeal to you--I, Paul, who am "timid" when face to face with you, but "bold" when away!" It appears that it may be easier to be "bold" with the...

As a Calvinist I understood the idea of end/means in regard to the need for evangelism within the Calvinistic system, because that was where that concept was typically brought up. But here we are talking about the potential of false teaching affecting the souls of man and eternity. How does...

I believe some fail to understand the concept of providing a defense, but that is okay. Maybe this question will help clarify the distinction of the various views held by Calvinists: What limits who will and will not be saved? The willingness of the individual to believe and follow Christ, or...

It was already made. Hodge disavows your view that Christ suffered just so much for so many...

Luke, I'm not pointing out these points to be contentious, but I honestly want to understand how a consistent Calvinist believes that those who post in ignorance may have "eternal consequences," "endanger the souls of men," and be "extremely dangerous?" Is not the sovereign plan of God being...

Well, the 'invisible' source along with all the quotes already provided to which you have yet to actually answer. What specifically have I said that is out of context. Even Jim's statement here bolsters my original claim. It is a historical fact that Calvinists have disagreed over this point...

I totally agree Jim and I have never attempted to claim otherwise. I hope those reading along here recognize this. There is a difference in these two Calvinistic views: 1) Jesus suffered just so much for so many (paid only for the sins of the elect), thus leaving the impediment of 'no...

Thank you for the refocus! Not if God has placed a condition (faith) on the provision of Grace. If a man commits a crime and has to pay a fine he can't afford stand before a judge who says, "I've paid your fine for you and I'll let you go free if you will admit your crime and apologize."...

And you have ignored the direct question to provide support for your claim that I've taken these Calvinistic scholars out of context. In fact, since I posted these things I had a discussion with a notable Calvinistic scholar about this subject (though I don't have his permission to use his...

At least I provide citations, quotes and actual support for my arguments. If I've taken something out of its context then provide the context and explain how I have misrepresented it, otherwise you are just blowing smoke. General unfounded and unsupported accusations, something you have...

Funny, you being the only Amyraldian here, I thought you of all people would recognize these teachings. After all, most all notable Amyraldians point to them in defense of their views. Sounds like you may be more concerned about what your buddies think of you than what you believe is truth...

Oh, I'm well aware of this view and have replied to it many times here on the board.

Don't you see that is the very belief Hodge is renouncing as not being orthodox when he writes: "This doctrine, that the sufferings of Christ amounted to the aggregate sufferings of those who are to be saved, that he endured just so much for so many, is not found in any confession of the...

While I agree with this assessment, most Calvinists would say something like, "they can receive it, but they don't want to." They say this for the same reasons mentioned above regarding the view of atonement. They believe the ONLY impediment is the sinners unbelief. They take this view...