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Then clearly it is you who is misreading Hodge, because it is abundantly clear that this statement is to address the genuine universal call of the gospel to both the elect and non-elect, as proven by this statement: "The righteousness of Christ being of infinite value or merit, and being in its...

Two things. 1. Where did I say that "the atonement IS applied to each man?" The atonement is applied only to those who believe. It is provided and offered to all mankind with a condition, as the quote from Hodge above clearly states. 2. Willis is smart enough not to believe anything you...

That is what you say, but Paul clearly states, "They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved," not because they did evil deeds....even those in heaven did evil deeds.

Plus, you all talk about how there isn't going to be anyone wanting atonement who doesn't get it, but I assure you on the judgement day when these lost souls are facing eternal torment they are not wanting to perish. They will surely be wanting atonement at that point. Now, are they...

Do you affirm Hodges statement, "He did all that was necessary, so far as a satisfaction to justice is concerned, all that is required for the salvation of all men." Or do you take "all men" to mean "all elect men?" BTW, I'm not arguing that Hodge holds to an Arminian view of the atonement...

As stated in the original post, my comment was a general statement for all, INCLUDING MYSELF, and NOT directed at any individual. It is very similar to Paul's comment when he wrote: 2 Corinthians 13:5: Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize...

As I stated in my very first post on this subject. I don't have any problem with people referring to the bible as "God's Words" because I know what they mean. They typically mean that the bible is divinely inspired, God-breathed. However, when pressed by JF regarding whether it "contains"...

I recently read Francis Chan's books "Crazy Love" where he talked about the four different soils that Jesus teaches about in scripture. He challenges the reader with this statement, "Don't assume you are the good soil." I didn't take that as his attempt to question my salvation, but instead...

I just wonder how many in our churches today and on this board have more of a relationship with a book than with its author? I don't ask that as a slam on anyone in particular...I ask it in sincere concern, because honestly that is where I've been myself. I'd relate to God through second and...

Those of you who affirm that God did provide atonement for even the non-elect shouldn't have a problem with it, but clearly some "reformed" posters here don't hold to that view and yet they ridicule those of us who argue this point while many scholars from their own "camp" have historically...

Yes. Christ could give a concession rather than a command just as Paul did. The distinction is not the author, its the qualification given by the author.

Sorry, JF, but until you make yourself learn the quote feature I can't respond. :(

Then don't bring it up. :)

Yes, people would be wise to follow Godly wisdom of an apostle writing under the inspiration of the spirit regarding "disputable" matters such as whether to marry or stay single; whether or not to eat meat or abstain; or how to handling a situation of an unbelieving spouse. No, a statement of...

While this is a red herring, in that it has nothing to do with the subject at hand, I would like to point out that Hodge is a well respected Calvinistic scholar, as was Jonathan Edwards and George Whitfield, both of which are said to have supported the idea of slavery. In fact I think this...

Alright, well I'll just reference this post next time the topic of the atonement is raised and Calvinists begin to make the argument that the atonement isn't available to the non-elect. Ok? :)

Whether you or anyone asked about them is irrelevant. The opinions of scholars differ regarding the infallibility of the originals versus some modern copies, which WAS relevant to the answer I was addressing. What do you think? Do you think an elect man will be "judged" by God, or held to...

Please pay attention Aaron. I said that I did, but qualified it by pointing to the known fact that various scholars define those terms differently and hold to diverse views depending upon if one is addressing the original autographs or our current manuscripts. But I suspect you already know...

Here is a quote from Charles Hodge in his systematic theology: In many other threads here on the BB it appears that most Calvinists would differ on this point as it has been argued that those who die in unbelief don't perish for their unbelief alone, but because their sin was not atoned...

Then he would be fired as an umpire for making a call at first when he was watching third. I mentioned manuscripts and autographs in reference to JF's question about the inspiration and infallibility of scripture, not about the other discussion regarding the title of the Bible being "the word...