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  1. J

    The Apostle Paul's referenes to Holy Spirit baptism

    Nice strawman! You really knocked him down good. Sorry I did not say that one "has to know all things that Jesus has commanded the disciples to teach in order to be saved" . I said that faithfulness is essential for salvation.
  2. J

    The Apostle Paul's referenes to Holy Spirit baptism

    You show me one post were I said or infer that one has to master the bible before he can be saved, if not then hold your tongue with false accusations. You assume thats what I believe, but you are wrong. John 3:16 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that...
  3. J

    The Apostle Paul's referenes to Holy Spirit baptism

    So we can all assume that you both came to know what God wanted you to know about salvation and His Son and forgiveness of sins by some other means than by God revealing His will to you through scripture? Now you say we do not have to strive to understand (learn) God's will. To believe is...
  4. J

    The Apostle Paul's referenes to Holy Spirit baptism

    Learning God's will (Acts 11:14; John 6:44,45; Romans 10:17; 1:16; 1 Corinthians 1:21) Acts 11:14 14 who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved.' NKJV Your right, Cornelius did not learn God's will through the preaching of Peter and he certainly did not hear...
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    The Apostle Paul's referenes to Holy Spirit baptism

    The Bible clearly affirms that the only power that can forgive man's sins is the blood of Jesus. His death paid the penalty for our sins (Ephesians 1:7; Romans 5:6-9; Hebrews 9:14; 1 Peter 1:18,19; Rev. 1:5). Consider a sinner who has never been cleansed by Jesus' blood. If he is to be...
  6. J

    The Apostle Paul's referenes to Holy Spirit baptism

    You focusing on one verse and forcing it to apply to your faith alone presuppositions does not mean that I do not believe what it says, I just do not hold it mean what you assume it means, salvation by faith alone. Do you hold to the idea that men where saved in a different manner in the O.T...
  7. J

    The Apostle Paul's referenes to Holy Spirit baptism

    Originally Posted by JSM17 John 12:42 Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue; NKJV Did these men (rulers) receive the remission of sins when they believed in Him? Did...
  8. J

    The church of Christ refuted again (the gift of the Holy Spirit)

    Were the Samaritans in Acts 8 saved when they believed and were baptized? According to what you glean from the Lexicons you would have to conclude that these people were still lost because they did not have the H.S.
  9. J

    Was Cornelius in an already saved condition before Peter met him (Acts 10)?

    Acts 8:12 12 But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized. NKJV "Were these men and women were saved when they believed?" "Did these men and women received the Holy Spirit when...
  10. J

    The Apostle Paul's referenes to Holy Spirit baptism

    John 12:42 Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue; NKJV Did these men (rulers) receive the remission of sins when they believed in Him? Did they receive the H.S. when they...
  11. J

    The Nature of Man

    The debate that was posted on the OP for April 27-30,2009 will be streamed from 7pm to 9:30 pm each night. The address is pasted below for those of you who want to listen. http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3145/play.asx
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    The church of Christ refuted again (the gift of the Holy Spirit)

    The Bible does not teach that Holy Spirit activity necessarily indicates personal salvation. In fact, the Bible does not even teach that speaking in tongues indicates salvation. In Numbers 22:28-30 the Lord enabled a donkey to speak in tongues; was the donkey saved? Clearly this type of...
  13. J

    Was Cornelius in an already saved condition before Peter met him (Acts 10)?

    Acts 8:12 12 But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized. NKJV True or False "These men and women were saved when they believed?" True or False "When these men and women believed...
  14. J

    The Apostle Paul's referenes to Holy Spirit baptism

    Acts 10:43 43 To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins." NKJV He who believes in Him will receive remission of sins? T or F John 12:42 Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the...
  15. J

    The Apostle Paul's referenes to Holy Spirit baptism

    Where is your basis for this statement? Scripture? I hold to that a believer is someone who obeys what is commanded to recieve the remission of sins. Acts 16:34 34 Now when he had brought them into his house, he set food before them; and he rejoiced, having believed in God with all his...
  16. J

    Was Cornelius in an already saved condition before Peter met him (Acts 10)?

    First of all I cannot deal with all six points at one time so be patient with me, it is not because I do not want to or that I avoiding it like the plague. I will deal with the first point first and then when I have time I will move on to the next. 1. If one insists that Cornelius was...
  17. J

    The church of Christ refuted again (the gift of the Holy Spirit)

    DHK WROTE: I was not avoiding it, I was focusing on other things, it is hard to keep up sometimes, but I will respond to your main point of post #3 Post #3 by DHK: Well Paul did baptize people: 1 Cor 1:16-17 16 Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do...
  18. J

    The Apostle Paul's referenes to Holy Spirit baptism

    I agree, I also believe that the meaning of "believe" encompasses confession and baptism as well. Do you believe that "Belief" encompasses being baptized with the Holy Spirit, I do? We are born of water and Spirit. Were they not commanded to be baptized? Are we not commanded to be...
  19. J

    The church of Christ refuted again (the gift of the Holy Spirit)

    Cornelius was born of water and Spirit just as all men are. Cornelius was not a man in a wrong relationship with God, he was a man who obeyed God. He was not a Jew, he was devout man, a righteous man. The Holy Spirit did not fall on a wicked man, but a man that God chose to be the first...
  20. J

    The Apostle Paul's referenes to Holy Spirit baptism

    I would be a fool to not agree what this passage teaches. The difference between you me on this passage is that I do not believe it says that we are saved by belief alone apart from other commands of God in order to receive remission of sins. There are other passages that teach the remission...
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