A Person, with a Weapon, Breaks into Your Home....

[Yeshua1]

And God says you are to treat foreigners living in your land as well as you treat those born there.



I see nowhere that Jesus sanctions war.

In the Old testament, yeshua was the same God in both old and the new!

 

[Crabtownboy]

In the Old testament, yeshua was the same God in both old and the new!

No one is arguing that point.

Do you agree it is a sin to wear clothing of mixed cloth?

 

[Alive in Christ]

Saturneneptune..you posted...

If you believe God gave us a brain, then you must believe He expects us to use it.

Thats correct.

And how do you think God wants us to use our brain...

1) To do what our carnal nature desires?

2) Or take the "what would Jesus do" option?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

This woman did what all of us should do when she was faced with the possibility of being shot by an intruder.

Granted, the attacker was not in the woman's house, but he was in her car and the threat was just as real as if he were in her house.

 

[Sapper Woody]

Saturneneptune..you posted...




Thats correct.

And how do you think God wants us to use our brain...

1) To do what our carnal nature desires?

2) Or take the "what would Jesus do" option?

We should take the "WWJD" option. Clearly, Jesus would defend the innocent instead of cowardly standing by.

As to what the "carnal nature desires", many have posted that it is NOT their desire to kill, but that they would if they had to.

And God says you are to treat foreigners living in your land as well as you treat those born there.

And that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. None. Whatsoever.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

I agree with this video completely.

 

[Alive in Christ]

We should take the "WWJD" option. Clearly, Jesus would defend the innocent instead of cowardly standing by.

As to what the "carnal nature desires", many have posted that it is NOT their desire to kill, but that they would if they had to.


And that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. None. Whatsoever.

Ahhh. So...if Jesus, the Prince of Peace, where here today, He would blow the guys brains out. Really. REALLY??

 

[Aaron]

...would you take the shot [presuming you had a weapon beside your bed, or in your home] to protect your family, your property, your belongings, and most importantly, your life which equates to the continued ability to provide for and nurture your loved ones in the future???

Weapon or no weapon, trespassing is a form of aggression, and aggressors should be shot.

 

[Don]

I agree with this video completely.

I agree with the video, too. When someone commits a transgression against me, I don't go seeking revenge or vengeance. But defense is not revenge or vengeance.

 

[Yeshua1]

No one is arguing that point.

Do you agree it is a sin to wear clothing of mixed cloth?

You are taslking the ceremonial aspect of the law, unique to isreal under OT times...

Capital punishment for capital crimes speaks to the Moral code of the law, for all times and peoples!

 

[Sapper Woody]

Ahhh. So...if Jesus, the Prince of Peace, where here today, He would blow the guys brains out. Really. REALLY??

Let me pose this to you; it's not very peaceful wondering if you're going to die, or worse, get harmed in some unimaginable way, is it? Jesus would remain the Prince of Peace by offering the internal peace of knowing that he'd take care of someone, instead of standing cowardly by.

Peace =/= Pacifism. Pacifism is throwing steaks to a tiger, hoping that he'll eventually become a vegetarian.

 

[Bro. James]

Prince of Peace:

There was no peace before Jesus came.

There was no peace while Jesus was here.

There has been no peace since Jesus left.

Jesus: "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword". He also said: "Blessed are the peace makers". He also said, "Bless them that curse you". Now we have expeditionary forces and the Peace Corp.

Nowhere does it say the world will be won for Christ--in fact the Son of Perdition has taken over the world(the prince of the power of the air), a fact which will culminate when The Antichrist takes complete control.

We are headed for the last battle of a spiritual war which has been raging since Satan fell. The war is against God.

The munitions and personnel are getting staged for the Valley of Megiddo. Satan understands only one thing: whithering fire, aka hellfire and brimstone.

Who is on the Lord's side?

Peace, after the Rider on the white horse.

Bro. James

 

[USN2Pulpit]

Ahhh. So...if Jesus, the Prince of Peace, where here today, He would blow the guys brains out. Really. REALLY??

Blowing a guys brains out is kind of "Hollywood," don't you think? Everyone knows that in defense situtions, you aim for center mass.

I find that the war on this thread is being waged by two sides that refuse to consider each other's opinions. May I say that is a characteristic of "self-righteousness," brothers and sisters.

There are some on here whose opinions I greatly value, but right now we're beating a dead horse, don't you think?

If one person is convinced to protect their family, while another leaves things in the hands of God, I respect both. I will say this: I don't respect someone that buries their head in the sand and just hopes evil doesn't come to their doorstep. But if a person - fully informed - makes the decision based on their understanding of scripture not to protect their family, I respect their courage.

In return, I would ask that my viewpoint - to watch over and protect my family as I understand scripture - to be respected. I take my responsibility very seriously, and am willing to lay down my life for my wife and my children.

Why? Because I am sure of what lies beyond this life for me, just as my "anti-gun" brethren are.

Other than that, I have know more to say on this issue.

 

[Yeshua1]

Let me pose this to you; it's not very peaceful wondering if you're going to die, or worse, get harmed in some unimaginable way, is it? Jesus would remain the Prince of Peace by offering the internal peace of knowing that he'd take care of someone, instead of standing cowardly by.

Peace =/= Pacifism. Pacifism is throwing steaks to a tiger, hoping that he'll eventually become a vegetarian.

isn't the prince of peace at His return sending forth his flaming Angels to execute judgement upon those refusing him as their King?

Doesn't he Himself slay a multitude in last days, end of days?

Sounds like he brought his "Gun" back with Him, eh?

 

[Sapper Woody]

Blowing a guys brains out is kind of "Hollywood," don't you think? Everyone knows that in defense situtions, you aim for center mass.

I find that the war on this thread is being waged by two sides that refuse to consider each other's opinions. May I say that is a characteristic of "self-righteousness," brothers and sisters.

There are some on here whose opinions I greatly value, but right now we're beating a dead horse, don't you think?

If one person is convinced to protect their family, while another leaves things in the hands of God, I respect both. I will say this: I don't respect someone that buries their head in the sand and just hopes evil doesn't come to their doorstep. But if a person - fully informed - makes the decision based on their understanding of scripture not to protect their family, I respect their courage.

In return, I would ask that my viewpoint - to watch over and protect my family as I understand scripture - to be respected. I take my responsibility very seriously, and am willing to lay down my life for my wife and my children.

Why? Because I am sure of what lies beyond this life for me, just as my "anti-gun" brethren are.

Other than that, I have know more to say on this issue.

Normally, I can respect others' opinions. If they differ from mine, so be it. However, in this area I cannot respect someone who will not protect their family. It's the same as seeing your kids play in the street, and doing nothing. It's cowardice and sin. I have to show the truth against people putting other people's lives in danger needlessly.

 

[Andy_S]

Well, I attended a sermon a while ago in which they said that ANY killing was wrong, no matter what the circumstances. Not saying those are my views, and I do share the perspective of most people here who would want to protect their loved ones. But...there isn't, to me, a clear biblical answer. Unless someone wants to show me one, which I would welcome.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

There is a clear Biblical answer:

Matthew 5:44 (KJV) But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

The Biblical answer is to love your enemies. Do good to them when they persecute you.

Jesus never once preached a message of "Do unto them before they do unto you". Instead, He taught that if our enemy slap us on the left cheek, we should offer the right.

Jesus never once told us to get violent. He even rebuked Peter when Peter used a sword to defend Him and the group of disciples he was with.

 

[Sapper Woody]

There is a clear Biblical answer:

Matthew 5:44 (KJV) But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

The Biblical answer is to love your enemies. Do good to them when they persecute you.

Jesus never once preached a message of "Do unto them before they do unto you". Instead, He taught that if our enemy slap us on the left cheek, we should offer the right.

Jesus never once told us to get violent. He even rebuked Peter when Peter used a sword to defend Him and the group of disciples he was with.

The twisting of scripture there is amazing. And even if that were to say exactly what you mean it to say, as in don't resist, it's still against you. Part of the role of Father/Husband is to protect.

I am glad I'm not your child. If I knew my Dad wasn't going to protect me, I'd be afraid and angry that my father was a coward, and loved the intruder more than me.

 

[Andy_S]

I've read what people have put here with much interest, and can see several sides to the argument. For me, it's still a very thorny issue. I do get very tied up with these things!

 

[Yeshua1]

There is a clear Biblical answer:

Matthew 5:44 (KJV) But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

The Biblical answer is to love your enemies. Do good to them when they persecute you.

Jesus never once preached a message of "Do unto them before they do unto you". Instead, He taught that if our enemy slap us on the left cheek, we should offer the right.

Jesus never once told us to get violent. He even rebuked Peter when Peter used a sword to defend Him and the group of disciples he was with.

same jesus also said through paul that IF a person will not provide for his won family, and I include protect them, they are worse than infendals!