A Person, with a Weapon, Breaks into Your Home....

[Steadfast Fred]

The twisting of scripture there is amazing. And even if that were to say exactly what you mean it to say, as in don't resist, it's still against you. Part of the role of Father/Husband is to protect.

I am glad I'm not your child. If I knew my Dad wasn't going to protect me, I'd be afraid and angry that my father was a coward, and loved the intruder more than me.

And I am glad you are not my son. It would bring a reproach on the family name if my son shot and killed someone. Our family has no murderers in it's bloodline for several generations.

We teach the value of submitting to God, sharing His Word, and having faith that He is in control. The moment one takes it upon himself to shoot another human being, he is not allowing God to control him, but rather his flesh... his anger is controlling him.

Walk in the Spirit and ye shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. It is the flesh that want's to retaliate. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance. When one acts out due to fear and shoots another person, he is not allowing the Spirit to rule his life. love, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, faith, meekness, and temperance are put on the back burner in order that anger, hatred, bitterness, malice and strife might rule the flesh.

No thanks. I'll trust God to fight my battles and my families battles.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

same jesus also said through paul that IF a person will not provide for his won family, and I include protect them, they are worse than infendals!

The Lord gives us all the protection we need. We don't need guns. The weapons of our warfare are not carnal.

Our protection is through reading the Word of God and prayer, putting on the full armor of God. The only weapon the child of God should wield is the Sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.

 

[Arbo]

... Part of the role of Father/Husband is to protect.

I am glad I'm not your child. If I knew my Dad wasn't going to protect me, I'd be afraid and angry that my father was a coward, and loved the intruder more than me.

Excellent.
:thumbs:

 

[Arbo]

The Lord gives us all the protection we need. We don't need guns. The weapons of our warfare are not carnal.

Our protection is through reading the Word of God and prayer, putting on the full armor of God. The only weapon the child of God should wield is the Sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.

Tell that to the guy who breaks into your home and threatens to rape your wife and kill your children.

They'll be victims, but your self-righteousness will be intact.

 

[Yeshua1]

Tell that to the guy who breaks into your home and threatens to rape your wife and kill your children.

They'll be victims, but your self-righteousness will be intact.

didn't the same yahweh of the NT back in the NT ordain that his people should protect themselves, raising up armies and protecting the land and each other?

 

[michael-acts17:11]

The Lord gives us all the protection we need. We don't need guns. The weapons of our warfare are not carnal.

Our protection is through reading the Word of God and prayer, putting on the full armor of God. The only weapon the child of God should wield is the Sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.

Let's take that line of thought to its logical conclusion and apply it consistently. Our nation should not have a standing army nor should we have defended ourselves & Europe from the German & Japanese threat. If God wanted the world saved from tyrannical socialist domination, He would have intervened. God is also called our provider & sustainer. Therefore, you should not have to work to provide for your family & your wife doesn't have to cook meals. If a member of your family is gravely ill, do not take him/her to the doctor. That is a lack of faith in God. God will provide. God will sustain.

Can you see how this position cannot be consistently applied to all of life? Throughout Scripture, God uses people to protect & provide for one another. He uses people to fulfill His will within this world. If someone were to break into my house, I would fulfill my God-given charge to protect my family with any weapon that is available to me; from my hands to the .45 I keep next to my bed.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

didn't the same yahweh of the NT back in the NT ordain that his people should protect themselves, raising up armies and protecting the land and each other?

Different dispensation. Different time.

Under our dispensation of grace, we are told to show forth the fruit of the Spirit, to walk in the Spirit, and live as Christ lived.

1 Peter 2:21 (KJV) For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

You can choose to commit yourself to violence if you so desire. I will commit myself to the One who will repay our enemies.

2 Thessalonians 1:8 (KJV) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 Thessalonians 1:4 (KJV) So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Let's take that line of thought to its logical conclusion and apply it consistently. Our nation should not have a standing army nor should we have defended ourselves & Europe from the German & Japanese threat. If God wanted the world saved from tyrannical socialist domination, He would have intervened. God is also called our provider & sustainer. Therefore, you should not have to work to provide for your family & your wife doesn't have to cook meals. If a member of your family is gravely ill, do not take him/her to the doctor. That is a lack of faith in God. God will provide. God will sustain.

Can you see how this position cannot be consistently applied to all of life? Throughout Scripture, God uses people to protect & provide for one another. He uses people to fulfill His will within this world. If someone were to break into my house, I would fulfill my God-given charge to protect my family with any weapon that is available to me; from my hands to the .45 I keep next to my bed.

Some trust in chariots, and some in horses. But we will remember the name of the Lord our God.

 

[Yeshua1]

Some trust in chariots, and some in horses. But we will remember the name of the Lord our God.

Were we suppossed to have tossed bibles at the nazi army in WW II, instead of bullets than?

 

[mont974x4]

I trust God to provide. I look for a job.
I trust God to provide. I eat regular meals.
I trust God to provide. I maintain my truck.
I trust God to provide. I maintain our home.
I trust God to provide. I have health, auto, and home insurance.
I trust God to provide. I buy groceries.
I trust God to provide. I teach my sons how to use tools properly.
I trust God to provide. I teach my sons where to play and how to play safely.
I trust God to provide. I vote.
I trust God to provide. I build and maintain my relationship with my bride.
I trust God to provide. I lock the doors.
I trust God to provide. I hunt.
I trust God to provide. I am prepared to defend my family and yours.

Trusting God and my personal responsibility are not mutually exclusive. In reality they are one and the same. God calls me to do things in obedience to Him and He provides the means for me to be obedient. He provides the job. He provides the skills. He provides the intellect to design the tools I use. He provides the ability to use those tools.

It's all God. Just as David understood Goliath was attacking God and it was God who would be fighting through him.

 

[righteousdude2]

Ditto Dude!

Excellent.
:thumbs:

My sentiments, exactly!

 

[righteousdude2]

One Question - That Deserves an HONEST Answer....

...this question is to ALL of those who are advocating that they "Let God protect them!"

If that's your opinion, view and choice, sobeit [I don't believe that way, but, I would not subject you to my way of thinking]! However, I ask that each answer this question truthfully: Have you ever called local law enforcement [including the fire department and paramedics] to come to your rescue and protect you in time(s) of need?

SO, please be truthful, and since there are several of you advocating complete trust in Jesus to take care of your every need, does your faith go far enough to not call 911, for any reason, whatsoever?

Your answer/response to this one question will shed tons of light on the amount of faith you are claiming to have when it comes to trusting God, and not your fellow man, in times of emergencies, harm, and assistance needed to protect your life, the life of loved ones, from ANYTHING that could harm you, your life, or wellbeing! :type:

 

[righteousdude2]

I'd Be More than Happy to Have a Son Like Sapper....

And I am glad you are not my son. It would bring a reproach on the family name if my son shot and killed someone. Our family has no murderers in it's bloodline for several generations.

We teach the value of submitting to God, sharing His Word, and having faith that He is in control. The moment one takes it upon himself to shoot another human being, he is not allowing God to control him, but rather his flesh... his anger is controlling him.

Walk in the Spirit and ye shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. It is the flesh that want's to retaliate. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance. When one acts out due to fear and shoots another person, he is not allowing the Spirit to rule his life. love, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, faith, meekness, and temperance are put on the back burner in order that anger, hatred, bitterness, malice and strife might rule the flesh.

No thanks. I'll trust God to fight my battles and my families battles.

...as well as prouder than a peacock with all his feathers showing on its best day. :thumbs:

In fact, I salute each man and woman whoever put on a uniform and offered to do what many will not do, to keep America Free!

Just think SF, if this nation were full of people who think as you, we'd be speaking a mixture of Japanensse/German/Russian. The nation of Israel would never have taken the promised land. David and the army of Israel would have been overtaken and held captive by Goliath and his friends. ETC.

I thank God that the number of those who believe as you are small enough not to stand in the way of keeping American, strong and free.

Somehow I don't believe you, and the Mrs. would enjoy living in a land of tyranny and enslavement. In fact, I believe after a short time of living under the iron fist of your enemy, your desire to live a life of pacifism would all but vanish, IMHO!

Oh! And I believe that God would not condemn you, nor send you to hell for clearing the way for freedom to worship Him without the fear of having your head removed if found out.

BTW - please pass on to your Mrs. my best wishes and sincere blessings. It is great to be able to agree to disagree and still be brothers at the end of the discussion. Have a blessed week, my brother.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

...this question is to ALL of those who are advocating that they "Let God protect them!"

If that's your opinion, view and choice, sobeit [I don't believe that way, but, I would not subject you to my way of thinking]! However, I ask that each answer this question truthfully: Have you ever called local law enforcement [including the fire department and paramedics] to come to your rescue and protect you in time(s) of need?

SO, please be truthful, and since there are several of you advocating complete trust in Jesus to take care of your every need, does your faith go far enough to not call 911, for any reason, whatsoever?

Your answer/response to this one question will shed tons of light on the amount of faith you are claiming to have when it comes to trusting God, and not your fellow man, in times of emergencies, harm, and assistance needed to protect your life, the life of loved ones, from ANYTHING that could harm you, your life, or wellbeing! :type:

I have lived over half a century and have never called police/fire to my home.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

...as well as prouder than a peacock with all his feathers showing on its best day. :thumbs:

In fact, I salute each man and woman whoever put on a uniform and offered to do what many will not do, to keep America Free!

Just think SF, if this nation were full of people who think as you, we'd be speaking a mixture of Japanensse/German/Russian. The nation of Israel would never have taken the promised land. David and the army of Israel would have been overtaken and held captive by Goliath and his friends. ETC.

I thank God that the number of those who believe as you are small enough not to stand in the way of keeping American, strong and free.

Somehow I don't believe you, and the Mrs. would enjoy living in a land of tyranny and enslavement. In fact, I believe after a short time of living under the iron fist of your enemy, your desire to live a life of pacifism would all but vanish, IMHO!

Oh! And I believe that God would not condemn you, nor send you to hell for clearing the way for freedom to worship Him without the fear of having your head removed if found out.

BTW - please pass on to your Mrs. my best wishes and sincere blessings. It is great to be able to agree to disagree and still be brothers at the end of the discussion. Have a blessed week, my brother.

My boasting is not in my own ability, but it is in the ability of my God.

Where is your boasting? in your Smith and Wesson? your Remington? your Colt?

 

[righteousdude2]

Oh, Contraire, I Never Boast....

My boasting is not in my own ability, but it is in the ability of my God.

Where is your boasting? in your Smith and Wesson? your Remington? your Colt?

Well.....I have no need to boast, SF. I do, however, trust in God to protect me, and give me the wisdom needed when it comes to certain, unexpected events in life.

James 4:13-17 - Amplified Bible (AMP)

"Come now, you who say, Today or tomorrow we will go into such and such a city and spend a year there and carry on our business and make money. Yet you do not know [the least thing] about what may happen tomorrow. What is the nature of your life? You are [really] but a wisp of vapor (a puff of smoke, a mist) that is visible for a little while and then disappears [into thin air].

You ought instead to say, If the Lord is willing, we shall live and we shall do this or that [thing].

But as it is, you boast [falsely] in your presumption and your self-conceit. All such boasting is wrong. So any person who knows what is right to do but does not do it, to him it is sin."

I sure hope this verse helps you to see the sin in "boasting?"

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Well.....I have no need to boast, SF. I do, however, trust in God to protect me, and give me the wisdom needed when it comes to certain, unexpected events in life.

James 4:13-17 - Amplified Bible (AMP)

"Come now, you who say, Today or tomorrow we will go into such and such a city and spend a year there and carry on our business and make money. Yet you do not know [the least thing] about what may happen tomorrow. What is the nature of your life? You are [really] but a wisp of vapor (a puff of smoke, a mist) that is visible for a little while and then disappears [into thin air].

You ought instead to say, If the Lord is willing, we shall live and we shall do this or that [thing].

But as it is, you boast [falsely] in your presumption and your self-conceit. All such boasting is wrong. So any person who knows what is right to do but does not do it, to him it is sin."

I sure hope this verse helps you to see the sin in "boasting?"

Man pulling the trigger of a gun to shoot someone is not trusting God to protect him. His trust is in his own flesh.... and in the gun he holds in his hand.

 

[righteousdude2]

Oh, Contraire...

Man pulling the trigger of a gun to shoot someone is not trusting God to protect him. His trust is in his own flesh.... and in the gun he holds in his hand.

....I am trusting God for the strength, courage and wisdom to remove what evil has put in my path. Just as you are trusting God to make the evil doer be swift and show mercy toward you while they murder you and your loved one, I am trusting God to make me faster and better then the evil doer.

We both trust God.

Did you know that most murder victims are tortured, beaten and left to bleed out by the evil doer? If there are women present, most of the women are raped, beaten and killed while the family is made to watch. I certainly wouldn't want to be in your shoes if such evil made a visit to your home, especially if you had the opportunity to stop the evil at your doorstep.

But like I said in other responses, the choice is yours, and I would respect your choice unto your death. I'm sure many attending your funeral would question what it must have been like those last minutes? And others would question why you didn't call the police or even attempt to deflect the evil and protect yourself and your family?

But, if the preacher of your funeral knew your stance agaisnt selfdefense, I'm sure they call you a dedicated martyr, and hold your courage up in esteem.

The only problem is, SF, your failure to stop the evil doer, means that the evil doer is free to act again. I know, that you know, that we are to share the Word in order to help the lost become saved. So, how is protecting yourself no different than protecting the next person to be visited by evil? Are you not doing an act of love [by taking out evil] to keep another from being harmed by evil too?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

And the 92 year old lady in the link I provided was foolish to dialogue with the man who was robbing her, right?

I mean, why share Christ when you have a .357. After all, it will deliver justice faster than Jesus Christ will.

No thanks.

 

[plain_n_simple]

God said at the beginning of the NEW Testament, Peace on earth, goodwill toward men. This is the age of grace, we give grace not take life.