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A Person, with a Weapon, Breaks into Your Home....

Would You Take a Life to Save Your Life/Loved One(s)?

  • Most defintiely...

    Votes: 43 91.5%

  • No....

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Situational ethics, and my mind is not made up...

    Votes: 2 4.3%

  • There is no clear answer....

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Total voters
    47
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Luke2427

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righteousdude2 said:
...would you take the shot [presuming you had a weapon beside your bed, or in your home] to protect your family, your property, your belongings, and most importantly, your life which equates to the continued ability to provide for and nurture your loved ones in the future???
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If AT ALL POSSIBLE I'd blow his heart out of his chest.

And, yes, I think that is the Christian thing to do.
 
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Luke2427

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plain_n_simple said:
Well what do you call it when you want a gun? It's fear.
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You err because you know not the Scriptures nor the power of God.

The most dangerous people in the world are not terrorists or genocidal maniacs.

They are people who do not understand how to interpret the Scripture but are so proud they preach their deadly interpretations any way.

Those passages you refer to have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the subject of this thread.

PLEASE leave the public declaration of the Scriptures alone until you learn how to interpret them in their context with their appropriate meanings.

The way you handle the Scripture is a MILLION times more dangerous than a loaded gun handled haphazardly.
 
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Crucified in Christ

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Steadfast Fred said:
Some trust in chariots, and some in horses. But we will remember the name of the Lord our God.
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I have just been scanning this thread, but the poor application of Scripture to this debate is shameful. If you know the context of the verse you are quoting, then you would understand that Isaiah was talking about a specific error that Judah had made in making an alliance with Egypt in direct disobedience to God. To try to turn this into an argument that Israel was never to defend itself by military might is a diservice to God's complete revelation.
 
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Steadfast Fred

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Crucified in Christ said:
I have just been scanning this thread, but the poor application of Scripture to this debate is shameful. If you know the context of the verse you are quoting, then you would understand that Isaiah was talking about a specific error that Judah had made in making an alliance with Egypt in direct disobedience to God. To try to turn this into an argument that Israel was never to defend itself by military might is a diservice to God's complete revelation.
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You may be trying to hit a home run, but you missed the ball completely.

The verse I quoted had nothing to do with Isaiah... it was one of the Psalms. Psalm 20:7 to be exact.

It had nothing to do with Judah making an alliance with Egypt.
 
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Luke2427

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Alive in Christ said:
Interesting.

I was just about to post the same thing to the (("shoot'em dead!")) crowd.
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Brother, I think this is going to be a hard case for you to make.

Whether its a woman nailing a man's head to the tent floor or David slaying his "tens of thousands" or Levitical laws declaring a man should not be held accountable for killing another if he is defending himself or Jesus telling his disciples to go and buy swords- the fact is that the bible repeatedly preaches to the people of God that it is good and right to kill people if it means protecting ourselves, our families, our nation, etc...

The God who made the lamb and the kitten also made the tiger and the crocodile. This idea that God is more of a puppy lover than a piranha lover is man-made (or perhaps woman-made?). It comes, imo, from people trying to mold God into their own image rather than letting Scripture reveal to us the God that truly IS.

If I can be frank...

This stuff some of the guys are promoting on here sounds more like it came out of Woodstock than it did the Word of God. It sounds more like hippie pacifism than Scripture.
 
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Alive in Christ

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Luke...

This stuff some of the guys are promoting on here sounds more like it came out of Woodstock than it did the Word of God. It sounds more like hippie pacifism than Scripture.
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There has been just as much scripture from our side as from your side. Maybe more.

Swing..and a miss!


And its 2:17 am where I am. I have to hit the sack

Good night. :sleeping_2:
 
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Sapper Woody

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Alive in Christ said:
There has been just as much scripture from our side as from your side. Maybe more.
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I can agree with that statement as taken literally, but not the implications you are trying to make. Your side has indeed used more scripture, but at least half of the scripture was inapplicable.

A second hypocrisy here is your side keeps making the statement "That's in the Old Testament", or something to the effect. But that doesn't keep your side from quoting the old testament.
 
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Steadfast Fred

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Sapper Woody said:
I can agree with that statement as taken literally, but not the implications you are trying to make. Your side has indeed used more scripture, but at least half of the scripture was inapplicable.

A second hypocrisy here is your side keeps making the statement "That's in the Old Testament", or something to the effect. But that doesn't keep your side from quoting the old testament.
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Jesus said "Love your enemies", but that doesn't stop your side from wanting to do damage to them.
 
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Sapper Woody

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Steadfast Fred said:
Jesus said "Love your enemies", but that doesn't stop your side from wanting to do damage to them.
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No one has said that they want to kill anyone. I know you don't understand, but you can kill someone and still love them. Unless you've been there, you'll have absolutely no clue what I'm talking about. But believe me, you can.
 
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Yeshua1

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Don said:
Jesus also said He would lay in the gate to protect the sheep from the wolves.
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he is also same God who told us that when someone kills a human made in image of God, his own life will be forefeited!
 
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mandym

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plain_n_simple said:
God said at the beginning of the NEW Testament, Peace on earth, goodwill toward men. This is the age of grace, we give grace not take life.
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So where does scripture suggest that we are never to defend ourselves with a gun because we are in the age of grace?
 
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mont974x4

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Yeshua1 said:
he is also same God who told us that when someone kills a human made in image of God, his own life will be forefeited!
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Contrary to liberal theologians there is a very real difference between kill and murder. God commanded that people be killed. He also says murder is a sin.

Killing is not a sin. Murder is a sin.
 
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