A Tale of Two Calvinisms

[MB]

Don't want to, too many extrabiblical charts and books required to decipher between, classical, modified, progressive, hyper, ultra-hyper, MacArthur's, and who knows how many other 'schools' of dispensationalism there are.

Charts are for preachers I use the Bible. A simple example;
The Law of Moses before Christ it was all man had to become righteous. After the first advent we live under Grace and wear the righteousness of Christ.. These are two different dispensations of time.
MB

 

[church mouse guy]

Charts are for preachers I use the Bible. A simple example;
The Law of Moses before Christ it was all man had to become righteous. After the first advent we live under Grace and wear the righteousness of Christ.. These are two different dispensations of time.
MB

Eschatology is the sticking point. Spurgeon accepted deep time and rejected dispensationalism while MacArthur believes in a young earth and accepts dispensationalism. Do they both believe that some people were born to go to hell?

 

[kyredneck]

The Law of Moses before Christ it was all man had to become righteous.

Incredible.

21 I do not make void the grace of God: for if righteousness is through the law, then Christ died for nought. Gal 2

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could make alive, verily righteousness would have been of the law. Gal 3

Go read your Bible MB, and not the Scofield notes.. Read Galations.

 

[kyredneck]

Eschatology is the sticking point.

Wow. So you agree with MB, " The Law of Moses before Christ it was all man had to become righteous"?

[add]

It appears that Soteriology also becomes a HUGE sticking point if this is what you dispies believe.

 

[church mouse guy]

Wow. So you agree with MB, " The Law of Moses before Christ it was all man had to become righteous"?

[add]

It appears that Soteriology becomes a HUGE sticking point if this is what you dispies believe.

Oh, I thought the differences stated about Moses & Christ were generalizations.

 

[kyredneck]

Oh, I thought the differences stated about Moses & Christ were generalizations.

So according to dispyism/Darbyism/Scofieldism how did folks become righteous before the cross?

 

[kyredneck]

Oh, I thought the differences stated about Moses & Christ were generalizations.

I took it altogether as another gospel!

 

[JonC]

when born yes, as they still must be born again, not eternal Justification as Hypers hold with!

Ok, so God's elect are born destined for Hell. When were their sins forgiven?

 

[Yeshua1]

It'd be nice if you'd quote "per the Bible" where exactly it specifies HELL we're all bound for.

Are we not all born as lost sinners?

 

[Yeshua1]

Ok, so God's elect are born destined for Hell. When were their sins forgiven?

The elect of God were chosen by Him to be found in Christ jesus, but still need to get saved to make that happen still, as ALL have sinned and deserve judgement!

 

[Yeshua1]

Charts are for preachers I use the Bible. A simple example;
The Law of Moses before Christ it was all man had to become righteous. After the first advent we live under Grace and wear the righteousness of Christ.. These are two different dispensations of time.
MB

All in either the OT/NT that got saved were saved same way!

 

[Yeshua1]

So according to dispyism/Darbyism/Scofieldism how did folks become righteous before the cross?

same way we do after the Cross!

 

[Yeshua1]

Ok, so God's elect are born destined for Hell. When were their sins forgiven?

At the Cross of Jesus!

 

[Dave G]

The Law of Moses before Christ it was all man had to become righteous.

" Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin." ( Romans 3:20 ).

" Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." ( Galatians 2:16 ).

 

[Dave G]

Are we not all born as lost sinners?

Romans 9:22-24.
Ephesians 1:4-6.
Ephesians 2:10.

 

[Yeshua1]

Romans 9:22-24.
Ephesians 1:4-6.
Ephesians 2:10.

Still were born lost sinners and had to get saved by Grace of God!

 

[Dave G]

Still were born lost sinners and had to get saved by Grace of God!

Romans 9:22-24.
Ephesians 1:4-6.
Ephesians 2:10.

 

[church mouse guy]

I took it altogether as another gospel!

Personally, I would have used New Testament language about the purpose of the Law. Where Scofield really went wrong is in teaching a pre-tribulation rapture, a doctrine now mostly advanced in Evangelical and Fundamentalist circles so that I infer, perhaps incorrectly, that it has been added to Calvinism.

I think of myself as a so-called mild Calvinist, meaning that I believe that God said that “whosoever” could be saved. The book of common prayer used to repeat the idea of Ezekiel 33:11 wherein God says that He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked but that the wicked turn from his way and live.

 

[JonC]

At the Cross of Jesus!

When Jesus was crucified????

 

[Iconoclast]

MB,

Charts are for preachers I use the Bible.

Really, that is just wonderful.

A simple example;

Okay, as you do not use charts or confessions of faith, you just use the bible ....this should be good. Lets see what you have to teach us????

The Law of Moses before Christ it was all man had to become righteous.

This is just wonderful, thanks so much. What part of the bible did you find this in? Good thing you have not let Calvinism confuse you