If forgiveness was already provided then why would you be facing Hell in the first place?
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A Tale of Two Calvinisms
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Sai
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Have to receive the new birth in order to avoid going to Hell, as not born right with God!
Were you born reconciled back to God already?
Sai
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Me too.
I see. So you are not technically a Calvinist (you do not believe that Christ accomplished salvation at the Cross but rather that Christ died to make salvation possible...i.e., potential atonement).
Me? No. But I never claimed that my sins were forgiven when Jesus died.
Nope again, God made a definite salvation provided that I will get period, but still have to receive Jesus as Lord to get saved, not born saved!
Did the death of Jesus on that Cross atone for all of your sins?
If Jesus' death paid the price for your sins (personally) and your salvation was accomplished then why do you have to receive Jesus TO GET saved? Saved FROM WHAT? Not your sins, you already said that they were settled a couple of thousand years ago. Not the wrath to come because that is related to sin.
Sai
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Without having followed any of the thread I was just trolling your post. Yet you are right because in my observation the work of God in the saving of men has included antinomies that are not fully explainable in this life. In the next, yes, we will have complete creaturely knowledge. But for now, Barry wood stubble selah
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Jesus' death atoned for the Sin of man (the sins of human being, i.e., mankind). Man is reconciled, therefore we plead that men will be reconciled.
So to sum things up -
You believe that Jesus paid the debt for your sins...but not really because you are still guilty at birth.
You believe that those who are elect were so from the foundation of the earth...but not really because they are born destined for Hell.
You believe that our sins were "atoned for" at the Cross.....but not really because we are born still in our sins.
You believe that our salvation was accomplished at the Cross.....but not really because we still have to receive this salvation.
I talk my previous comment back. You definitely sound like a Calvinist.
other then Hyper Calvinist, are there any who see us as being right relationship with God before getting saved by new birth?
I don't know. You say we are sinless (our sins forgiven before we were born). So why do we even need to be reborn?
God set up a big Trust fund for His own to receive the very moment are born again!
So atonement was not actual but potential until one believes?
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