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Peter had the gift of healing as demonstrated in Acts 5:16.The last 5-10 responses to anything I have posted have been your opinion..no scriptures!
They were not used to share the gospel. Peter shared the gospel! They were magnifying God!
I also showed how tongues were a sign to the unbelievers! But that is not the only reason for tongues!
We have laid hands and prayed for several and they were healed! But the gift of healings to that degree we have not! But that does not prove the gift of healing is not for today!Peter had the gift of healing as demonstrated in Acts 5:16.
He healed all that came to him--thousands.
You claim that your church has all nine gifts, but they can't demonstrate this one, therefore it is hypocritical and even fraudulent to claim what you cannot do.
Why go on living a lie?
Acts 5:16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.
We have laid hands and prayed for several and they were healed! But the gift of healings to that degree we have not! But that does not prove the gift of healing is not for today!
Why would people go to a church to have hands laid upon them if they are taught like you teach...it is no use, they are fakes and hypocrits...the gift of healing is no longer available by the laying on of hands!
I have heard several testimonies of overseas..great healings occuring!
I have done the same thing, or rather our church has, in accordance to James chapter five. That is not "the gift of healing." That is an answer to prayer. Read James five. "And the prayer of faith...."We have laid hands and prayed for several and they were healed! But the gift of healings to that degree we have not! But that does not prove the gift of healing is not for today!
Why would people go to a church to have hands laid upon them if they are taught like you teach...it is no use, they are fakes and hypocrits...the gift of healing is no longer available by the laying on of hands!
I have heard several testimonies of overseas..great healings occuring!
I have done the same thing, or rather our church has, in accordance to James chapter five. That is not "the gift of healing." That is an answer to prayer. Read James five. "And the prayer of faith...."
It says nothing of the gift of healing. The gift of healing was demonstrated by the apostles, like Peter. It was a sign that he was an apostle. It is unlikely that any of the Corinthians had that particular gift, though possible.
It is evident that no one today has the "gift of healing." No one. People get healed in answer to prayer, God's method. But they don't get healed "en masse." You hear anecdotal stories, but never anything that can be verified.
I never said that God doesn't heal. He does.
I said the "gift of healing" has ceased. It is evident that it has.
Jesus came to heal...but I do agree some do not receive healing until death!we hold and believe in GOD who is the healer, and have seen people healed due to God Will for them to expereince that healing now, but others were healed by death...
Is God allowed to decided how and when to heal?
Do you think its the Will of God to always get healed/miracle/ the blessing?
Whether Jesus laid hands on one person are many! IT is all done by the power of the Holy Spirit! The same way today!! The apostles are not the only ones that could lay hands on people and they were healed. Healing is healing...whether by prayer or by obedience to laying hands on someone! It is all by God..not man.I have done the same thing, or rather our church has, in accordance to James chapter five. That is not "the gift of healing." That is an answer to prayer. Read James five. "And the prayer of faith...."
It says nothing of the gift of healing. The gift of healing was demonstrated by the apostles, like Peter. It was a sign that he was an apostle. It is unlikely that any of the Corinthians had that particular gift, though possible.
It is evident that no one today has the "gift of healing." No one. People get healed in answer to prayer, God's method. But they don't get healed "en masse." You hear anecdotal stories, but never anything that can be verified.
I never said that God doesn't heal. He does.
I said the "gift of healing" has ceased. It is evident that it has.
Whether Jesus laid hands on one person are many! IT is all done by the power of the Holy Spirit! The same way today!! The apostles are not the only ones that could lay hands on people and they were healed. Healing is healing...whether by prayer or by obedience to laying hands on someone! It is all by God..not man.
IT is the gift of healings! plural
The only "bad egg" I referred to was the Charismatic movement. I pointed out that you believe, by blind faith, things that have no evidence, no basis in truth. The gifts have ceased. If they have not ceased where is the evidence that they have not ceased? You can't provide it. "The gift of miracles? Gone!Here we go again! Bringing out the bad eggs to prove all of it is bad...Believing what the Word of God says about it is not blind faith! Muslims do not believe the Bible! Well...some christians do not believe it all either..
It is blind, and it is not the Holy Spirit that has shed light on your gibberish. Your gibberish is not of God. If it is not of God, then who is it from? Think seriously about that? The people that claim to be faith healers today are all charlatans, every last one of them. Tell me one who is not. Point to one genuine faith healer of this day and age. You can't do it.No, not blind! The Holy Spirit has shed light to the truth! I would rather follow Him instead of someone that does not believe God is not doing it today!
It doesn't work that way. If you are a Christian your works and life must demonstrate that you are a Christian. How can you claim to be a Christian when you live like the devil? I am not making that accusation, but that is where the proof is demanded. The world judges you. So do Christians, and rightly so. If you were to move and apply for membership in another church would they accept you based on your testimony? You can't just say: "I don't have to prove to you (the local church) anything; God is the only one I am concerned with!" Wrong answer!I do not have to prove anything to you! God is the only one I am concerned with!
What you say is false.Jesus could not do miracles in his own hometown...so I quess that town would say the same about him as well! ..but we both know Jesus/God could do them!
I don't have man-made theology. I study the Word, and have been doing it for a much longer time than you have. Again, you walk by blind faith choosing to believe things that you cannot demonstrate are for today. You say things happen that don't happen. I call that lying and hypocrisy.You are taking you man-made theology over the Holy Spirit teaching you truth!
You call the Bible carnal? All I did is quote you scripture?Well, I see you struggling because you are trying to understand spiritual things with your carnal mind.
Speaking in another language was for the church, always! It was always for the edification of the entire church, as every gift was. Like the gift of healing no member took the gift home and healed himself for their own edification. So no one took the gift of languages home and used it for their own edification. The Bible does not teach that concept anywhere.There you go again saying we can not pray in private! TONGUES IS ANOTHER LANGUAGE! PRAYING IN THE SPIRIT IS TONGUES. SPEAKING TO GOD IS PRAYING!
The devil has his counterfeits. That is what you experience, and believe me, I would not want to touch them with a ten foot pole. On the Day of Pentecost there were more than 13 languages that were spoken in. "How here we every man in our own language." They spoke with other languages. That was the miracle. Now tell me: How many different kinds of gibberish are there?Again, DHK, I am truly sorry that you are not experiencing any of this in your ministry (I sincerely mean that)! But He was given to the church to manifest until His return!
You are deceived. You believe in something that doesn't exist. You put blind faith in that which has no evidence. Produce those that have the gift of miracles, and the gift of healing. If you believe in it, where is it? There is as much evidence for these gifts as there is for believing in monkeys on Pluto. None!No, I was deceived! But not anymore! As I have said many time on this board...your unbelief and denial of what is plain in scriptures can not take away what I am experiencing with God!
All Charismatics speak in gibberish. We call it for what it is. When the sky is blue, you can call it yellow, but that doesn't make it yellow. It is still blue. You can scream at the top of your voice and demand that it is yellow, but it won't change the fact that it is blue. Facts are facts. You do not have the gift of languages. You can't speak any known language. What you speak is "gibberish." We all know that. And, yes, that is a waste of time: God's time and yours.I did not call tongues gibberish! I called it speaking in a language that the person does not know or understand without the interpretation. God does not say tongues is a waste of time!
The Word of God doesn't teach it. The Bible condemns such things as gibberish. God is a God of order and not of chaos. What you speak is very chaotic. There is no understanding, absolutely none. Not even God can understand what you say. Such mindless activity is condemned over and over again in the Word of God.I just need the Word of God to say it to believe it! You on the other hand have to have proof!
I believe that the Holy Sprit manifest through people today! Healing being one of them! It is not us that does the the healing! God is the healer!Do you think there are those who have faith healing gifts or not today?
Sorry...I did not read this...I am tired of going over the same stuff with you! When you have something different to add to the debate I will discuss with you! Otherwise we will just agree to disagree on this!The only "bad egg" I referred to was the Charismatic movement. I pointed out that you believe, by blind faith, things that have no evidence, no basis in truth. The gifts have ceased. If they have not ceased where is the evidence that they have not ceased? You can't provide it. "The gift of miracles? Gone!
The gift of healing? Gone.
The Biblical gift of speaking in languages, (not private gibberish)? Gone!
--You can't provide the evidence of any of these gifts. It is blind faith in something that doesn't exist. If it exists you could provide the proof.
It is blind, and it is not the Holy Spirit that has shed light on your gibberish. Your gibberish is not of God. If it is not of God, then who is it from? Think seriously about that? The people that claim to be faith healers today are all charlatans, every last one of them. Tell me one who is not. Point to one genuine faith healer of this day and age. You can't do it.
It doesn't work that way. If you are a Christian your works and life must demonstrate that you are a Christian. How can you claim to be a Christian when you live like the devil? I am not making that accusation, but that is where the proof is demanded. The world judges you. So do Christians, and rightly so. If you were to move and apply for membership in another church would they accept you based on your testimony? You can't just say: "I don't have to prove to you (the local church) anything; God is the only one I am concerned with!" Wrong answer!
What you say is false.
You said: "Jesus could not do miracles in his own hometown." That is false. Jesus would not do miracles. He would not do miracles because of their unbelief. Miracles do not save anyone.
Jesus said: An evil and adulterous generation seek after a sign; but no sign shall be given unto them but the sign of Jonas. For as Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the whale so shall the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
--Clear evidence that the sign gifts have ceased. Jesus said they would. The only sign that this generation has is the gospel. That is all they need.
I don't have man-made theology. I study the Word, and have been doing it for a much longer time than you have. Again, you walk by blind faith choosing to believe things that you cannot demonstrate are for today. You say things happen that don't happen. I call that lying and hypocrisy.
You call the Bible carnal? All I did is quote you scripture?
I told you how you misinterpret it, which you do.
You take a verse here and a verse there, and mix them together and come up with some new strange doctrine. Remember this new fangled religion of yours was unknown to all of Christendom up until 1905. That is when it began. Only in paganism was it known before that time.
Speaking in another language was for the church, always! It was always for the edification of the entire church, as every gift was. Like the gift of healing no member took the gift home and healed himself for their own edification. So no one took the gift of languages home and used it for their own edification. The Bible does not teach that concept anywhere.
The devil has his counterfeits. That is what you experience, and believe me, I would not want to touch them with a ten foot pole. On the Day of Pentecost there were more than 13 languages that were spoken in. "How here we every man in our own language." They spoke with other languages. That was the miracle. Now tell me: How many different kinds of gibberish are there?
You are deceived. You believe in something that doesn't exist. You put blind faith in that which has no evidence. Produce those that have the gift of miracles, and the gift of healing. If you believe in it, where is it? There is as much evidence for these gifts as there is for believing in monkeys on Pluto. None!
All Charismatics speak in gibberish. We call it for what it is. When the sky is blue, you can call it yellow, but that doesn't make it yellow. It is still blue. You can scream at the top of your voice and demand that it is yellow, but it won't change the fact that it is blue. Facts are facts. You do not have the gift of languages. You can't speak any known language. What you speak is "gibberish." We all know that. And, yes, that is a waste of time: God's time and yours.
The Word of God doesn't teach it. The Bible condemns such things as gibberish. God is a God of order and not of chaos. What you speak is very chaotic. There is no understanding, absolutely none. Not even God can understand what you say. Such mindless activity is condemned over and over again in the Word of God.
it isn't all the same. James never describes "the gift of healing."Whether Jesus laid hands on one person are many! IT is all done by the power of the Holy Spirit! The same way today!! The apostles are not the only ones that could lay hands on people and they were healed. Healing is healing...whether by prayer or by obedience to laying hands on someone! It is all by God..not man.
IT is the gift of healings! plural
No, man split up the dispensation to satisfy his theology! The Holy Spirit was poured out on the Day of Pentecost for all the believers! He has not left and he is not doing different! We are just taught wrong and are in unbelief!it isn't all the same. James never describes "the gift of healing."
He describes what the church should do in certain circumstances for certain individuals who has prayer for their particular ailment or illness. It is no guarantee. God heals as He wills; not as "we" will.
In Acts 5:16, Peter had the "gift of healing." All who came to him were healed. There were no exceptions. These were not just answers to prayer. It was a different dispensation in that it was the apostolic age. There are no more apostles and these gifts have ceased. If they haven't you would be able to document some one demonstrating this gift or show that it is operative today. But you can't. Your imagination is overactive, and there is truthfulness involved when posting. Don't post those things that you cannot verify.
No, man split up the dispensation to satisfy his theology! The Holy Spirit was poured out on the Day of Pentecost for all the believers! He has not left and he is not doing different! We are just taught wrong and are in unbelief!
See! I did not lie! You only come around with your smart remarks! Never challenging what I said with scripture to back it up!Good luck with that, :thumbs:
There was an Apostolic Age. You deny that. That is up to you to remain in a state of denial. During that Apostolic Age the Church was in an age of transition as described in the Book of Acts. There are certain things, like Pentecost, that will never be repeated again in history. You deny those things. You take your theology from a historical book rather from books that teach doctrine. Without the Book of Acts you cannot prove your theology. You flounder and your doctrine dries up as good as dead, just as fish out of water. It is meaningless; pure emotionalism.See! I did not lie! You only come around with your smart remarks! Never challenging what I said with scripture to back it up!
When did the Apostolic Age end? What scripture do you have to prove that?There was an Apostolic Age. You deny that. That is up to you to remain in a state of denial. During that Apostolic Age the Church was in an age of transition as described in the Book of Acts. There are certain things, like Pentecost, that will never be repeated again in history. You deny those things. You take your theology from a historical book rather from books that teach doctrine. Without the Book of Acts you cannot prove your theology. You flounder and your doctrine dries up as good as dead, just as fish out of water. It is meaningless; pure emotionalism.
The Apostolic Age ended with the death of the Apostles. That is self-explanatory, and needs no Scripture.When did the Apostolic Age end? What scripture do you have to prove that?
True, Pentecost like the Jesus crucifiction will only happen once! But the affects/benefits of what happen those days are still in effect!
Are you saying that there were only 12 apostles? Yes, only 12 that walked with or saw Him...The Apostolic Age ended with the death of the Apostles. That is self-explanatory, and needs no Scripture.
The reason has been given many times:
2 Corinthians 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.
Again, more than just the apostles manifested the gifts!Hebrews 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
ONE REASON! Not all reasons! You continue to limit the manifestation of the HS!The signs and wonders, the gifts of the Holy Spirit, were given to the Apostles to authenticate them as Apostles and their message as from God. This was one of the primary reasons of the gifts of Spirit.
I can see that if why you want to believe that...IF that was the only reason for the manifestation of the Holy Spirit...BUT it is not!They ceased when the Apostles died. There was no more need of them.
Hogwash! No more than the Scriptures took the place of Jesus! The Word is true testament of what happened! Holy Spirit inspired...but it did not take the place of anyone! Do you worship the Bible more than you worship Who it is about?The canon of Scripture was now complete. The Scripture took the place of the Apostles.
I have never once said I had the gift of healing! But I also do not explain it away as you do without scripture evidence!Since that time no one has been able to duplicate the same signs and wonders that the Apostles did. Those gifts have ceased. Your game of hypocrisy should be honestly admitted. You cannot replicate the "gift of healing" that Peter demonstrated in Acts 5:16. You blithely rationalize it away. That is dishonest of you to do that.
THis is proof that you do not understand the word of knowledge!You can't point to anyone that has the gift of miracles. It has passed away.
No one has the gift of knowledge, or revelation, for the Bible is complete. There is no need of any more inspired revelation today.
No, I can give examples of every gift in the OT and the NT! With the exception of tongues and interpretation of tongues given to just the church after Pentecost. Can you?You want to redefine these gifts. But that goes outside the bounds of the Bible. You don't accept the Bible for what it says. You play a game of neo-orthodoxy, redefining terms to fit your own pre-determined theology. You are in error and don't want to admit it.
Are you saying that there were only 12 apostles? Yes, only 12 that walked with or saw Him...
Again, more than just the apostles manifested the gifts!
ONE REASON! Not all reasons! You continue to limit the manifestation of the HS!
I can see that if why you want to believe that...IF that was the only reason for the manifestation of the Holy Spirit...BUT it is not!
Hogwash! No more than the Scriptures took the place of Jesus! The Word is true testament of what happened! Holy Spirit inspired...but it did not take the place of anyone! Do you worship the Bible more than you worship Who it is about?
I have never once said I had the gift of healing! But I also do not explain it away as you do without scripture evidence!
THis is proof that you do not understand the word of knowledge!
No, I can give examples of every gift in the OT and the NT! With the exception of tongues and interpretation of tongues given to just the church after Pentecost. Can you?