can One Be Charasmatic And NOT Be In Word of faith?

[DHK]

You pick and chose what you want to believe in scriptures! The rebuke was not to forbid as you and others want to claim!
Tongues is part of the list of the manifestion of the Holy Spirit! You have trouble with that...you explain it away because you your self are not experiencing any of the manifestation. If you would repent of your unbelief and ask God to show you as I did...He is faithful! Follow God and not what your man made seminaries teach!

Here is what you have just demonstrated in your post.
I expounded the Scriptures and showed you from Scriptures where your position is wrong. You replied with a personal attack.
I didn't explain anything away; I explained through Scriptures how your position was wrong. You said, "If if would repent of my unbelief and ask God to show me..."
Why would I ask God to show me something I have clearly shown you to be unbiblical. Why would I want an unbiblical experience?
Lastly, you have shown how you have put this experience, which is so important to you, above and beyond the importance of Scripture. Even if the gift of languages were for today (but they are not), if you read 1Cor.12:28ff, you will find that very few had them; no one was to seek them; each member was to exercise the gift that God had given them. But you disregard all of that.
But in reality you don't have a gift of any language. You can't tell me what language you speak, and no one else can either. It is just gibberish, and that is not God's gift. Tell me: If it is not of God, then who is it from?

 

[awaken]

Here is what you have just demonstrated in your post.
I expounded the Scriptures and showed you from Scriptures where your position is wrong. You replied with a personal attack.
I didn't explain anything away; I explained through Scriptures how your position was wrong. You said, "If if would repent of my unbelief and ask God to show me..."
Why would I ask God to show me something I have clearly shown you to be unbiblical. Why would I want an unbiblical experience?
Lastly, you have shown how you have put this experience, which is so important to you, above and beyond the importance of Scripture. Even if the gift of languages were for today (but they are not), if you read 1Cor.12:28ff, you will find that very few had them; no one was to seek them; each member was to exercise the gift that God had given them. But you disregard all of that.
But in reality you don't have a gift of any language. You can't tell me what language you speak, and no one else can either. It is just gibberish, and that is not God's gift. Tell me: If it is not of God, then who is it from?

Again, DHK...continue where you are! You seem happy there!

 

[evangelist-7]

Awaken, my brother ...

You and I are the only FULL GOSPEL people within a million miles of dis place.

Praise the Lord! ... He did not decide to cut the precious gospel in half and dilute much of its' power.

The FULL GOSPEL is still ... preachin' with His SWM confirming the Truth.

This PERFECT way of His has ceased in many places because of peoples' UNBELIEF.

But, this PERFECT way of His will really cease only when He returns!
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[awaken]

Awaken, my brother ...

You and I are the only FULL GOSPEL people within a million miles of dis place.

Praise the Lord! ... He did not decide to cut the precious gospel in half and dilute much of its' power.

The FULL GOSPEL is still ... preachin' with His SWM confirming the Truth.

This PERFECT way of His has ceased in many places because of peoples' UNBELIEF.

But, this PERFECT way of His will really cease only when He returns!
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I thought there were more full gospel Baptist out there..I guess I was wrong.
I agree God did not dilute His power! He could do no miracles in His own hometown because of unbelief! Makes you wonder how the unbelief of the world today affects Him doing miracles today?????

 

[Thomas Helwys]

"Full gospel" is an insulting and arrogant term. Everyone who has faith in Jesus Christ has the full gospel.

 

[evangelist-7]

"Full gospel" is an insulting and arrogant term. Everyone who has faith in Jesus Christ has the full gospel.

Methunks, we mighta got it from Paul ...

“… in mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God
… I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.” (Romans 15:19)

Does the TH know anybody who fully preaches the gospel of Christ? ... Nope! ... 'Tis a shame!
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[DHK]

Methunks, we mighta got it from Paul ...

“… in mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God
… I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.” (Romans 15:19)

Does the TH know anybody who fully preaches the gospel of Christ? ... Nope! ... 'Tis a shame!
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2 Corinthians 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.

Paul said those mighty signs and wonders are the signs of an apostle.
They all died by the end of the first century.
Or are you one of them resurrected from the dead?

 

[awaken]

2 Corinthians 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.

Paul said those mighty signs and wonders are the signs of an apostle.
They all died by the end of the first century.
Or are you one of them resurrected from the dead?

You take one scripture..which they are truly signs of an apostle...BUT..you leave out the fact that others than the apostles wrought them as well!

 

[awaken]

"Full gospel" is an insulting and arrogant term. Everyone who has faith in Jesus Christ has the full gospel.

Salvation is in the complete work of Jesus Christ! But what I have found being raised Baptist is that they fail to teach how to walk in the power of the ressurrected Christ!

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Salvation is in the complete work of Jesus Christ! But what I have found being raised Baptist is that they fail to teach how to walk in the power of the ressurrected Christ!

That is total bull.

Being able to jabber in gibberish has nothing to do with walking in the power of the resurrected Christ.

 

[awaken]

That is total bull.

Being able to jabber in gibberish has nothing to do with walking in the power of the resurrected Christ.

Did I mention tongues?

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Did I mention tongues?

That's a necessary part of the Charismatic package of a HS baptism separate from conversion. It promotes spiritual pride, arrogance, and two classes of Christians, as the term "full gospel" demonstrates.

 

[DHK]

You take one scripture..which they are truly signs of an apostle...BUT..you leave out the fact that others than the apostles wrought them as well!

Please read what is posted before answering in haste.
evangelist-t posted that Paul preached the gospel in "mighty deeds and signs,") and in his defense quoted Romans 15:10
I responded that he did so because he was an apostle, to whom signs and wonders were given to authenticate them and their message. Therefore Paul preached the gospel wherever he went and the signs and wonders authenticated him as an apostle. Look at the very next verse of the passage that evangelist quoted from:

Romans 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:
--That same gospel, accompanied with signs and wonders, he took all over the known world, where Christ had not been named. According to 2Cor.12:12, they were a sign that he was an apostle. That is what scripture teaches.

 

[evangelist-7]

evangelist-t posted that Paul preached the gospel in "mighty deeds and signs,") and in his defense quoted Romans 15:19
I responded that he did so because he was an apostle, to whom signs and wonders were given to authenticate them and their message. Therefore Paul preached the gospel wherever he went and the signs and wonders authenticated him as an apostle. Look at the very next verse of the passage that evangelist quoted from:
Romans 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:
--That same gospel, accompanied with signs and wonders, he took all over the known world, where Christ had not been named. According to 2Cor.12:12, they were a sign that he was an apostle. That is what scripture teaches.

Okay, I was an apostle (not an evangelist) for 15 years ... Yeshua will be delighted (he finally found an apostle).

I preached the gospel (sometimes accompanied by God's SWM) where Christ was not known.
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[DHK]

Okay, I was an apostle (not an evangelist) for 15 years ... Yeshua will be delighted (he finally found an apostle).

I preached the gospel (sometimes accompanied by God's SWM) where Christ was not known.
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You are into Spiritism? the Occult?
All the Apostles were dead by the end of the first century.
Those religions are very Satanic.

 

[awaken]

That's a necessary part of the Charismatic package of a HS baptism separate from conversion. It promotes spiritual pride, arrogance, and two classes of Christians, as the term "full gospel" demonstrates.

My experience was just the opposite when I come across people that were Charismatic. THey were loving, not pushy or judgemental....no arrogance and never made me feel like I was second class! But since I have embraced the truth concerning the manifestation.. the ones that do not believe they are for today are the ones that have made me feel the way you described above.

 

[awaken]

Please read what is posted before answering in haste.
evangelist-t posted that Paul preached the gospel in "mighty deeds and signs,") and in his defense quoted Romans 15:10
I responded that he did so because he was an apostle, to whom signs and wonders were given to authenticate them and their message. Therefore Paul preached the gospel wherever he went and the signs and wonders authenticated him as an apostle. Look at the very next verse of the passage that evangelist quoted from:

Romans 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:
--That same gospel, accompanied with signs and wonders, he took all over the known world, where Christ had not been named. According to 2Cor.12:12, they were a sign that he was an apostle. That is what scripture teaches.

And...if you would have read me post..I agreed that they were a sign that he was an apostle. But what you left out was that it is NOT JUST for the apostles! There were others in scriptures that were not apostles!

 

[Thomas Helwys]

My experience was just the opposite when I come across people that were Charismatic. THey were loving, not pushy or judgemental....no arrogance and never made me feel like I was second class! But since I have embraced the truth concerning the manifestation.. the ones that do not believe they are for today are the ones that have made me feel the way you described above.

Sorry to hear that.

 

[DHK]

And...if you would have read me post..I agreed that they were a sign that he was an apostle. But what you left out was that it is NOT JUST for the apostles! There were others in scriptures that were not apostles!

In the context of Romans 15:19,20 and in 2Cor.12:12, the only meaning is "the sign of an apostle." That is the only possible interpretation it has in the context of the passage that we were discussing.

 

[DHK]

My experience was just the opposite when I come across people that were Charismatic. THey were loving, not pushy or judgemental....no arrogance and never made me feel like I was second class! But since I have embraced the truth concerning the manifestation.. the ones that do not believe they are for today are the ones that have made me feel the way you described above.

A J.W. came to my door today. He wasn't pushy. I was the one that kept "pushing" the Scripture on him because I am concerned for him. He would bring up Jesus, the Son of God; I immediately corrected him--no; Christ is God. They need to understand the deity of Christ, no matter how "pushy" it may seem. They are false teachers going from door. But on first impression he was not a "pushy" individual. He was polite, kind, a gentleman, etc. I was the one that had to confront him with the truth. He went home thinking of who Christ really was.

Mormons can be very gentle and kind.
So are many Muslims and Hindus.

We are commanded to "contend for the truth."
The truth hurts. Standing up for the truth, proclaiming at all costs the deity of Christ in the face of those that adamantly deny it is not easy. They may seem to be gentle, but they hold heretical views just the same.

The Charismatic movement transcends all denominations. You have it in your Baptist church. The Anglican church was one of the first to accept it. One of the original leaders of the Pentecostal leaders and faith healers was
William Branham. He is dead now, but the Branhamites live on as a cult in their own right. They deny the trinity; believe that Original Sin was caused by a sexual union between the serpent and Eve, and some other very strange doctrines. Most Branhamites meet in small groups listening to tapes of Branham.

Many people that are kind, welcoming, tender-hearted, etc. do not always contend for the truth, but rather are heretics prowling as false teachers.
Someone who tells the truth may sound brash because we are sinners, and when are sin is confronted we don't like it.