Do people which commit suicide automatically go to hell?

[Ed Edwards]

I completely believe in the Sovereignty of God but there is no way that I believe in the distortion of the truth that says that we can act however we want, like a bunch of heathens and still go to heaven.

There wont be any rebels in heaven.

Obviously you haven't the foggiest what ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS
SAVED (OSAS) is all about.

OSAS is about the Sovergnity of God.
OSAS is about the Fidelity of God, not the fidelity of humans.

John 3:16 (KMJV1611 Edition):
For God so loued ye world, that he gaue
his only begotten Sonne:
that whosoeuer beleeueth in him,
should not perish, but haue euerlasting life.

Whatever 'everlasting life' means - OSAS means the same thing.

BTW, I am NOT a Calvinist.

 

[Ed Edwards]

I wasn't going to respond anymore to any one in a cult, but girl you are just plain stupid!

I don't think you picked the right term with 'stupid'.

Try one of these terms (the one you realy mean).

dumb - unable to learn
stupid - unwilling to learn
ignorant - hasn't learned a particular topic yet

 

[standingfirminChrist]

In the book of Esther, we see that if one went before the king unvited, one was worthy of death. Eshther said, 'If I perish, I perish'

Isn't a suicide going before the King of kings uninvited? I mean, the Lord did not call that person, that person chose to force his or her way into heaven by their own means.

True, Esther was not killed which shows God's mercy, but self-murder is not just walking in a room with a clean conscience toward God. And murderers do not have eternal life abiding in them.

 

[Claudia_T]

I don't think you picked the right term with 'stupid'.

Try one of these terms (the one you realy mean).

dumb - unable to learn
stupid - unwilling to learn
ignorant - hasn't learned a particular topic yet

I have to say whatever religion you two are I want to make sure that I dont join it. If this is the way that it makes you act.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I have to say whatever religion you two are I want to make sure that I dont join it. If this is the way that it makes you act.

They certainly are not showing grace... which is in clear violation of BB policy.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Pinoy,

I realize that Christians might fall, etc and so forth but I do not believe that we can be in the act of murder when we die and still go to heaven. Im sorry. David repented.

You have no idea then as to the depths of human depravity. Perhaps all the more to your benefit. Let it stay that way.
Because as far as I am concerned, I believe you are a child of God, and your theology or beliefs have no bearing at all with your eternal standing.

I am sorry about the name calling.

I think that should be one example of human depravity for you, my dear girl.

 

[Claudia_T]

I am sorry about the name calling.

I think that should be one example of human depravity for you, my dear girl.

well I guess you do have a point there, there is something to be said for people practicing what they preach.

 

[tragic_pizza]

Samson? who said Samson committed suicide? God could have taken his life before the first stone fell on him.

ROFLOL! You're serious? LOL!!!

 

[tragic_pizza]

Oh boy, I hope that no new christian who just converted comes here and opens this thread. Can you imagine what would happen to such a person? :laugh:

It makes me want to vomit.

You're stronger than I am for putting up with it, xdx.

You poured your hesart out about three pages before this post, and in their lust to be "right," no one acknowedged it.

Disgusting.

 

[Claudia_T]

For heaven's sake! This is a discussion Board about what people think about Theology/Doctrine. Why do people have to take everything so personally?

You know, it makes me feel "disgusted" when people paint God out to be a God who tortures people in Hell forever and ever and look what that idea does to xdisciplex..

But come on, this is about our ideas and our beliefs... we dont have to act like someone is judging someone else or like they are condemning someone else, etc...

I really dont see why people have to be so harsh with one another just because you hold to another view than someone else. People need to lighten up.

The entire idea of God condemning people who commit suicide to Hell "forever and ever and ever" irks me... but Im not going to tell everyone it makes me vomit and look what everyone is doing to poor xdisciplex because of it and so on and so forth.

Its a DISCUSSION Board for crying out loud.




Here, look, let ME try it:

Has everlasting or eternal fire ever been visited upon men in the past?

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Jude 7.​

What was the result of this eternal fire upon those cities?​

"And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly." 2 Peter 2:6.​

NOTE. - "Everlasting" fire converted these cities into ashes, and the apostle says they were made an ensample to those who should after live ungodly. We cannot for a moment suppose that those cities are now burning; for the saline waters of the Dead Sea rollover the very spot where they stood.​

Mt:3:12: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will BURN UP the chaff with unquenchable fire.​

NOTE. -The fire itself is "unquenchable" because NO MAN can put it out. But this "unquenchable" fire BURNS UP the wicked. This is said time and time again in the Bible when it tells what is going to happen to the wicked.​

2Thes:1:
8: In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power


NOTE. -How can one have a God who both eternally torments and eternally destroys people at the same time?



And now for my Tragic Pizza imitation:

"OH you guys just make me wanna vomit! Look what you have done making poor xdisciplex think that Hell burns on forever and ever when he is scared of the idea of Hell!"​

......Now is that any way to act? I mean, if you guys want to do a "Who has the most cruel depiction of God" contest here...​

Claudia​

 

[Shiloh]

by standing "They certainly are not showing grace..." I believe it's you standing that is not "showing Grace." You have handcuffed God. In all this discussion you have not proven or even given evidence that a christian would go to hell if they take their own life. God is a God of Grace and Mercy. I'm sure you know what those terms mean. I am well aware of the fact that there are lots of folks calling themselves Christians and are not so.....there is evidence on this board with some dening the doctrine of the atonement of our sins by the Lord Jesus Christ. period! However a Christian still lives in this world and still has the old nature. To believe like you do one would have to believe a Christian would not have an old nature.

 

[Claudia_T]

Maybe this will help,


Rv:21:8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers [Insert Name Here], and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


1Jn:3:15: Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer [Insert Name Here] hath eternal life abiding in him.




Claudia

 

[Claudia_T]

Has anybody ever heard of "Love your neighbor AS THYSELF"?

"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

And now read:

1 John 3:
14: We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15: Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.


"Well I was just feeling down and depressed because things werent going so well for me here lately, and I had alot of problems and so I went next door and took my neighbor's life"

You dont like that? ok well... Love thy neighbor AS THYSELF:

"Well I was just feeling down and depressed because things werent going so well for me here lately, and I had alot of problems and so I went into the bedroom and took my own life"

...oh much better

 

[rbell]

Mods, this thread seems to have degenerated.

I think if one of you kills it you'll still go to heaven.

Just my uninformed opinon.

See ya'll...
:wavey:

 

[standingfirminChrist]

It is sad how when one stands on the truth of God's Holy Word that if one murderers he has no eternal life abiding in him and that all murderers will have their part in the lake of fire, that those who deny those truths accuse the ones holding fast to those truths as being wrong in their doctrine.

 

[Amy.G]

I have followed Solomon's advice and answered the questions that rbell asked before. If he does not see the answers in my posts, then he isn't looking for them.

Any regarded sin in one's heart that one dies in shows that one never was Christ's.

Why do people commit suicide? Love of self. Why do people get depressed? Love of self. Self-centeredness is pride. One of the deadly sins.

This is a statement of ignorance and arrogance.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

by standing "They certainly are not showing grace..." I believe it's you standing that is not "showing Grace." You have handcuffed God. In all this discussion you have not proven or even given evidence that a christian would go to hell if they take their own life. God is a God of Grace and Mercy. I'm sure you know what those terms mean. I am well aware of the fact that there are lots of folks calling themselves Christians and are not so.....there is evidence on this board with some dening the doctrine of the atonement of our sins by the Lord Jesus Christ. period! However a Christian still lives in this world and still has the old nature. To believe like you do one would have to believe a Christian would not have an old nature.

I have not given proof that a Christian will go to hell, you are correct, because the Christian will not go to hell. But the Christian will not commit suicide. A good tree cannot produce evil fruit. If one seems to have been a Christian commits suicide, then He was not hearing the voice of the Shepherd, he has tried to impose himself on the King at a time he was not called by the King. Sorry, but all murderers will have their part in the lake of fire. You diny God's Word, not me.

I am not showing grace? How do I show grace, pray tell? By lying against God's Holy Word by saying it is not true that murderers have not eternal life? or maybe it is showing grace by calling otherrs who stand on the Word 'stupid'?

 

[xdisciplex]

Why do people commit suicide? Love of self. Why do people get depressed? Love of self. Self-centeredness is pride. One of the deadly sins.

I didn't know you are catholic....

And I also want to say that you come across boastful, too. Maybe you have never been depressed and don't understand it at all. You talk as if you are God himself, as if you knew it all and everybody who disagress with you is wrong and then these phrases which go like "if you have a problem with what the bible says discuss it with God" this is manipulation! Everybody can simply quote bible verses and then claim they mean this and that and then make the others feel guilty and try to manipulate them and give them the feeling that they have a problem with God or that they are rebellious.
I really miss mercy in your posts. You have a few verses which you simply keep riding on, that's all. Others have shown that you can interpret these verses also in a different way but you simply insist on being right and come across as the know-it-all.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

This is a statement of ignorance and arrogance.

It is not that I am ignorant, for the Word of God tells us we are to deny self. Suicide is no more than self-gratification. Nor am I arrogant because I take a stand against the lies of the devil.

 

[xdisciplex]

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Samson? who said Samson committed suicide? God could have taken his life before the first stone fell on him. We do know Samson is mentioned in the hall of faith. But the Word does not specificially say the building killed him, so why add to it and say he committed suicide? If he committed suicide, then John must have been lying when he said no murderer has eternal life.

Um..... yeah.... but.....maybe.....I mean......maybe.....I know it's very unlikely.....but.....maybe.....I mean......maybe....you are simply not understanding what the murderer thing means.....maybe....this explains it all...... :thumbsup:

Do you not see how you bend everything to make it fit to your views?
If a christian takes an overdose of betablockers to kill herself and then dies then maybe it wasn't even suicide. After all God could also have made the person die of something else. Yeah! Maybe it was just like it was in Samson's case.
We also don't know what Samson died of, right? Maybe it wasn't the stones which burried him, maybe he died of something totally different. Maybe he had an infected teeth which caused his heart to fail and the bible simply doesn't mention it.