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asterisktom

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A lot of times, unfortunately, Christians jump on any evidence that is pro-6 day creation, without seriously considering the merits of the "proof". Case in point: the lost day of Joshua supposedly "found" by NASA scientists.(BTW the original version of this old discredited story came from Harry Rimmer).

But this link is an excellent example of a hasty rebuttal that has no substance in it. If you read it carefully you find no substantial explanation for polystrata tree fossils. Their response boils down to: "Oh yeah, well then ...uh .. what about those rocks?" IOW they change the subject.

Polystrata trees remain in my list A of evidence of a 6 day creation.
Actually I should say list B. For me, the evidence from Scripture seems pretty convincing, esp. Ex. 20:11.

Please see the separate thread (In the beginning...) I started, so as not to derail this OP.
 
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Shortandy

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I was just thinking, do we normally see immediate miracles in this day and age, or is the time spread out.
In fact, we often criticize those preacher who have healing services. Then we will praise God after we have prayed for someone who has been in a hospital for 3 months, and then has been cured.
I am not trying to downplay the 6/24 creation, but just something to consider.

Salty

But Jesus spoke and it happened at that moment; a public display of His Divine nature. But how would this be interpreted if its not not 6/24 creation? How things are done in our time is secondary to that original question.
 

psalms109:31

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What if

What if the gap was not where you think it was in the 6 days, but in between Genesis 1 and 2. That Adam and then Eve was created separate from the rest of the world?
 

Amy.G

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A lot of times, unfortunately, Christians jump on any evidence that is pro-6 day creation, without seriously considering the merits of the "proof". Case in point: the lost day of Joshua supposedly "found" by NASA scientists.(BTW the original version of this old discredited story came from Harry Rimmer).

But this link is an excellent example of a hasty rebuttal that has no substance in it. If you read it carefully you find no substantial explanation for polystrata tree fossils. Their response boils down to: "Oh yeah, well then ...uh .. what about those rocks?" IOW they change the subject.

Polystrata trees remain in my list A of evidence of a 6 day creation.
Actually I should say list B. For me, the evidence from Scripture seems pretty convincing, esp. Ex. 20:11.

Please see the separate thread (In the beginning...) I started, so as not to derail this OP.

I agree.
............
 

Amy.G

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What if the gap was not where you think it was in the 6 days, but in between Genesis 1 and 2. That Adam and then Eve was created separate from the rest of the world?

Because the bible says they were created on the 6th day. Gen 1:3 begins the days of creation, with man created on the 6th day. I don't see how you can say he was created sooner.
 

psalms109:31

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I agree

Because the bible says they were created on the 6th day. Gen 1:3 begins the days of creation, with man created on the 6th day. I don't see how you can say he was created sooner.

I agree to. Men and women were created in His image and then in Gen. 2 you have the creation of Adam and Eve in a garden separated from the rest of the world.
 

Amy.G

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Here is a page from your link completely debunking the global flood.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html


This site seems to be nothing more than an attempt to prove the bible untrue.



From the page on your link:

Did you know that you can be a Christian, and believe that the earth is billions of years old? You can even believe in evolution and be a Christian. There is no conflict between science and the Bible..

You cannot believe in evolution and the bible at the same time.
 
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Crabtownboy

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You cannot believe in evolution and the bible at the same time.

A more accurate statement would be, "You cannot believe in evolution and with my [Amy's] interpretation of the Bible."

Amy, this is not an attack on you ... just a statement.
 

Amy.G

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A more accurate statement would be, "You cannot believe in evolution and with my [Amy's] interpretation of the Bible."

Amy, this is not an attack on you ... just a statement.

God says that everything reproduces after it's own kind. Evolution says that one species can produce a different species, which is in direct contradiction to God's word. That's not my interpretation.
 

webdog

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God says that everything reproduces after it's own kind. Evolution says that one species can produce a different species, which is in direct contradiction to God's word. That's not my interpretation.
...and the biblical one.
 

Winman

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A more accurate statement would be, "You cannot believe in evolution and with my [Amy's] interpretation of the Bible."

Amy, this is not an attack on you ... just a statement.

Yes, and though modern evolutionists deny that the theory deals with origins, what was the title of Darwin's book?

On the Origin of Species.

Life itself disproves evolution. Evolution teaches life originated from non-living matter, something that has been observed scientifically exactly 0% of the time.

However, life has been scientifically observed to come from pre-existing life exactly 100% of the time.

If life exists now (and it does), then life must have always existed. For if life ceased to exist, it would never exist again. Even a few honest evolutionists have admitted this.

Therefore if life exists now it must have always from eternity existed. And this is exactly what the scriptures teach.

So which is more scientific and has been observed, evolution or the scriptures?
 

kyredneck

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Yes, and though modern evolutionists deny that the theory deals with origins, what was the title of Darwin's book?

On the Origin of Species.

Life itself disproves evolution. Evolution teaches life originated from non-living matter, something that has been observed scientifically exactly 0% of the time.

However, life has been scientifically observed to come from pre-existing life exactly 100% of the time.

If life exists now (and it does), then life must have always existed. For if life ceased to exist, it would never exist again. Even a few honest evolutionists have admitted this.

Therefore if life exists now it must have always from eternity existed. And this is exactly what the scriptures teach.

So which is more scientific and has been observed, evolution or the scriptures?

Excellent post Winman, IMHO. 'Therefore if life exists now it must have always from eternity existed.' Excellent point, IMHO.
 

Havensdad

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O.k., not sure what "class" you took, but you need to ask for your money back!!
Actually they grow hanging from the ceiling of caverns under ground and there counter parts grow from the same water drips up to meet them the ones I have seen weren't covered by sediments.

Then you have not seen very many. The problem with the "millions of years" theory, is that (usually) the rate assigned to the stalactites, is older than the sediment layers in the surrounding cavern. I (hope!)trust you see the inherent physics problem.

I liked your story of your water heater but what it formed what not a stalactite. Stalactites are made from the lime deposits the water dripped down through. Not to mention the water is cold not hot. The heat from the hot water heater will sometimes heat both the incomming line and out going line not to mention your water deposits are most likely gypson a deposit most common to the bottom of tea kettles.

Bro,

You need to be quiet while you are behind. There is so much wrong with what you are saying...

#1 Stalactites are formed from Calcium Carbonate. This is the mineral which causes hard water stains, and is (usually) the source of the brownish yellow crust on the outside of pipes. These calcium carbonate deposits also build up in hot water heaters.

#2 The thing on my pipe, was a stalactite. It was a projection from an upper surface, made out of calcium carbonate. That is the definition of a stalactite.

The reason it takes so long for a stalactites to form is because each drop of water does not completely evaporate. it usually drops to the ground below and starts a stalagmite coming up from the floor.

Which helps to prove that they were formed in a very short period of time. The idea that there would be no change in water flow, alignment (between top and bottom), etc. for MILLLIONS of years, is patently absurd.

They grow to be as much a 30 to 40 feet in diameter weighing hundreds of thousands of tons. It must have been some pipe fitting your stalactite grew from. LOL.

LOL indeed. The MATH says they could be made in just a thousand years or so. I don't care about your ridiculous opinion, that a slow moving stream of water, went undisturbed and unmoved for millions of years.

When I was in school we verified that it takes a stalactite 100 years to grow one half inch in length.
To "prove" something scientifically, requires observation. Who in your class, sat there and watched water drip for 100 years? :tonofbricks:

I know, through scientific observation, that a foot long stalactite can form in less than five years. Yours is nothing but an unproven hypothesis.

While your comparing a hot water drip that evaporates entirely.
Actually, there was a small stalagmite as well, though not as large (looked like an upside down plate; not pointed). The water hit the ground.

The water drops that form stalactites hardly ever completely evaporates but continues on to the floor of the cavern and forms pools at the bottom.
Just an FYI: near boiling water, dripped from 20 feet, will NOT evaporate before it hits the ground. So everything your saying, is pooh.

The humidity inside a cavern is very high and usually stays around 60 degrees temp 24-7

Tell me, what was thee humidity at the time the stalactite started to form? Oh, yeah, you were not there.

Still this isn't the only evidence. Coal beds are another problem for the 6 day creation theory. Trees shed there leaves in the fall these leaves have made coal beds miles deep. They becaome coal after there own weight crushes them in to solid matter. Again it takes thousands of years longer than just a 6000 year history to form coal.
MB

I do not even know where to start.

#1 Polystrata fossils. Regardless of the links given by people here, secular scientists have yet to provide a satisfying answer, for coalified trees going through supposedly MILLIONS of years of layers.

#2 NO, coal does not take millions of years to form. This is a long disproved idea. Coal, in the proper environment, can form in less than a hundred years.

So, pretty much everything you said is wrong; even according to the atheist scientists (who admit much of this).
 

quantumfaith

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I am, like you, not trying to pick a fight.

I believe God could have created the universe anyway he wanted to, with a snap of the finger, with a spoken word, or any given period of time from a second to seven days to millions of years. God is outside of time and thus time has no meaning to God.
I do not believe God created the world in 6 literal 24 hour days. He could have. But I do not believe he did. I do believe he created over, what to us, is a long period of time. To me that is what the scientific evidence shows ... and God did create science, some of which we have discovered. To me science and the Bible do not conflict. The Bible should not be used for science and science should not be used for spiritual explanations. That is to say, the Bible tells us why God created while science gives us evidence of how God create. The explanations in Genesis, and there are two creations stories, are good explanations for a pre-scientific population. If God had given a full scientific explanation no one would have understood and thus no one would have considered the explanation plausible. It would have been considered nonsense and discarded … IMHO

I have no problem believing that Christ spoke and things happened immediately. For healing it would not make sense to me that he spoke and the healing took place at some later day, say three years later.

I do believe that Genesis speaks the truth in the first five words, "In the beginning God created". That I believe firmly, that God did it. That God did it is important. How he did it is not particularly important to me.

Excellent Post!!!!!
 

quantumfaith

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Yes, and though modern evolutionists deny that the theory deals with origins, what was the title of Darwin's book?

On the Origin of Species.

Life itself disproves evolution. Evolution teaches life originated from non-living matter, something that has been observed scientifically exactly 0% of the time.

However, life has been scientifically observed to come from pre-existing life exactly 100% of the time.

If life exists now (and it does), then life must have always existed. For if life ceased to exist, it would never exist again. Even a few honest evolutionists have admitted this.

Therefore if life exists now it must have always from eternity existed. And this is exactly what the scriptures teach.

So which is more scientific and has been observed, evolution or the scriptures?

Winman, your statement, conclusion:

Therefore if life exists now it must have always from eternity existed. And this is exactly what the scriptures teach.

Does this mean that you do not agree with the concept of a "finite time" limited universe, the cosmological concept of the Big Bang as the beginning point of the physical universe?

I am unclear about your premise about "eternally existing" life.
 

Amy.G

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Winman, your statement, conclusion:

Therefore if life exists now it must have always from eternity existed. And this is exactly what the scriptures teach.

Does this mean that you do not agree with the concept of a "finite time" limited universe, the cosmological concept of the Big Bang as the beginning point of the physical universe?

I am unclear about your premise about "eternally existing" life.
Life can only come from life. Life cannot come from a non-living source, therefore life has always existed. Of course the source for all life is God.
 

Amy.G

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I do not believe God created the world in 6 literal 24 hour days. He could have. But I do not believe he did.


Then you do not believe the word of God. The evening and the morning would have been understood by any Hebrew that it was one full day. If God had created the heaven and the earth over billions of years, He would have said so. But He did not. He said what He meant and meant what He said.

"evening and morning = one 24 hour day
 

RAdam

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One problem is these people assume a uniform rate of deposit. There are very few precious things in this world that are uniform. Deposit of material is not one of them. Furthermore, anyone that's ever dusted a house knows that it doesn't take that many years for a whole lot of dust to settle. The evolutionist laughs at the bible believer because he sees the bible believer as superstitious, believing in that which he has not seen. It is ironic. The bible believer has far more facts and realistic history at his disposal than the evolutionist. The evolutionist is the superstitious one, believing in pure conjecture.
 

psalms109:31

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Scripture

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

I do believe in the day and the night the six day creation, but sometimes when you do study around us our flesh does what to lean toward something out side that 6 day and a day of rest.

We must know also that God has revealed Himself through His word. The devil is a liar and a deceiver who knows what he placed around us to get us to doubt the word of God. Isn't the devil the prince of the air?
 
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