...yet is still determined by context. Every translation team translates it as grape juice.
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The word liquor does not always mean alcoholic, but wine always means an alcoholic drink.
liq•uor/ˈlikər/
Noun: 1. Alcoholic drink, esp. distilled spirits.
2. A liquid produced or used in a process of some kind, in particular.
Synonyms: drink - booze - liquid - beverage - fluid
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The word wine in the Bible is a generic term; sometimes it means grape juice; sometimes it means alcoholic beverages. The context will always show when "wine" refers to alcoholic beverages. A comparably used term is "milk" which also can have several meanings: buttermilk, sour milk, sweet milk, non-fat milk, homogenized milk, etc.
Wine in the Bible is not a generic term. Wine always means an alcoholic drink.
The synonyms for wine are all about alcoholic names for different types of wine, and all alcoholic.
Repeating your nonsense doesn't make it true.
You can claim that green is red. If you do it long enough the colors will still be the same; green will never change to red, however you might have color blindness.
You might have no understanding nor reasoning. Green is not red, and wine is not grape juice without alcohol. You have not proven your opinion.
Wine is an alcoholic drink. The Bible says wine is an alcoholic drink. New wine is just that, new wine. It is not unfermented wine, no such thing in the Bible. Old wine is old wine.
Jesus drank wine. Jesus turned water into wine. I have used the scriptures to explain God’s truth.
Oinos means wine. Oinophlugia means drunkeness. If oinos means non-alcoholic wine, then why does the word for drunkenness have the word oinos in it?
How does it make sense to you that the word you claim for non-alcoholic wine is in the word drunkenness?
In addition, if oinos means non-alcoholic wine, then why is the word for a tippling have the word oinos in it? Why does the word winebibber have the word oino in it?
paroinos means tippling
oinopotes means winebibber
How does it make sense to you that the word you claim is a non-alcoholic wine also in the word of a tippler?
It is worth repeating the truth.
If new wine means non-alcoholic, or grape juice, or unfermented, then how did people think the disciples got drunk on “new wine”?
English Standard Version (©2001)
But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
American King James Version
Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
American Standard Version
But others mocking said, They are filled with new wine.
Douay-Rheims Bible
But others mocking, said: These men are full of new wine.
Darby Bible Translation
But others mocking said, They are full of new wine.
English Revised Version
But others mocking said, They are filled with new wine.
World English Bible
Others, mocking, said, "They are filled with new wine."
English Standard Version (©2001)
But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
American King James Version
Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
American Standard Version
But others mocking said, They are filled with new wine.
Douay-Rheims Bible
But others mocking, said: These men are full of new wine.
Darby Bible Translation
But others mocking said, They are full of new wine.
English Revised Version
But others mocking said, They are filled with new wine.
World English Bible
Others, mocking, said, "They are filled with new wine."
They were mocking them saying, in essence, "They are drunk". You can't exactly say "They are filled with Welch's" and make the sentence make sense. Hmmmm...
Good point Moriah!saturneptune
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I do not drink, and want to be the first to state your post is just not how it works. In many families, kids rebel against parents who presented a harsh view of drinking while they were growing up. The decision to drink was the son's. Everyone owns their own sins. Parents can set a good example by not drinking, and explain the consequences of drinking. Beyond that, pounding on the issue day after day, week after week, will produce the exact opposite effect of what the parents want. All a parent can do is bring a child up in the Lord. Once an adult, they make their own decisions.
Exactly. Just like the false accusation of calling Christ a drunkard would make as much sense if He drank only grape juice.They were mocking them saying, in essence, "They are drunk". You can't exactly say "They are filled with Welch's" and make the sentence make sense. Hmmmm...
They were mocking them saying, in essence, "They are drunk". You can't exactly say "They are filled with Welch's" and make the sentence make sense. Hmmmm...
Thanks Ann!
I explained this answer in detail: using Greek, Hebrew, English, and our older Shakespearean English which has now changed. I gave examples and facts from each one. Your rebuttal: "Wine means fermented wine." IOW you rejected all the evidence, trashed it, threw it out the door, disregarded it, don't care, and just remain with your one word/ one definition argument. That is not even logical or sane.
How many words do you know have just one definition?
Look in your dictionary: "church," "ball," "box," or just any word that comes to the imagination. Look them up. Do they have just one definition? No, most words have more than one definition. You know that, and yet argue against all common sense that "wine" has only one definition. You are wrong.
1. Wine, in English, is a translation. Our Bible is a translation. Like Spanish, German, Cree, Maori, Hindi, and all the other languages of the world, the English Bible is a translation translated from the Hebrew and Greek. Thus the word "wine" becomes irrelevant, especially today, in the 21st century when our language has changed so much.
2. The word "wine" has changed meanings in the last 400 years since the KJV was written, even in the last 200 years.
Even today one of the common definitions of wine still in use is:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wine
But when the KJV was written the word "wine" always had the meaning of either fermented or unfermented wine. Only the context could determine the meaning.
3. The HEBREW word "Yayin," means both fermented or unfermented wined. Only the context can determine the meaning of the word.
4. The GREEK word "oinos" means both fermented or unfermented wine. Only the context can determine the meaning of the word.
5. The same is true of the English word "cider." Only the context can determine whether or not it is alcoholic cider or non-alcoholic cider.
It is foolish to say that "wine" always refers to an alcoholic beverage because it doesn't; not even in our modern day English language does it refer all the time to an alcoholic beverage.
As a side note, have you ever, or seen others, buy non-alcoholic beer from a grocery store?? Or do you have it stuck in your mind that it is always alcoholic.
Do you also abstain from root beer? :smilewinkgrin:
Wine is used as a symbol of God's wrath.
Wine is used as a symbol of corruption.
Wine is used for drunkenness and sin.
Wine is a mocker; strong drink is raging and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. (Prov.20:1)
Noting the above symbolism of the Bible and the teaching of the Bible, how could fermented wine be conscientiously used to represent the Lord's Blood in the Lord's Supper? It can't. There are obviously some places where it means unfermented wine or grape juice.
Steadfast Fred
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Which proves that not all wines were the same in the Bible.
Those that brought blessings were not alcoholic.
Those that brought God's wrath were alcoholic.
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